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Old 05-06-2007 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 2Lazy
Sky, You talk about all the doom and gloom, but please correct me if I'm wrong, you never flew for a Major carrier right? Of course your life would suck if you entire career was at a regional (even horizon). Its really hard to take all of your experiences into account when you haven't been with a Major.
Don't forget he's now debating on getting back in with a LCC
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Old 05-06-2007 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Futureman
I used to think that you were overly pessimistic, but after reading the posts from all these losers who make 20k and live in their parents' basements, I'm not so sure. These 20-something year-old children have no idea what is required to raise a family in a good area. They think 50k is a lot of money, and that the pilots who think that they rate more are elitist snobs. I wonder whether they notice that the only people who agree with them on these boards are fellow childless hobbyists in their early to mid-twenties. Why should they listen to all the guys with families who have been flying for decades?
Im 26, and I dont think 50k is good, so try not to generalize too much on here
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Old 05-06-2007 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 2Lazy
Sky, You talk about all the doom and gloom, but please correct me if I'm wrong, you never flew for a Major carrier right? Of course your life would suck if you entire career was at a regional (even horizon). Its really hard to take all of your experiences into account when you haven't been with a Major.
I was at Horizon Air and then at National Airlines as a 757 FO. You are correct I never was at a major. If I was then perhaps I would be here to spread the blessings of an airline career. It does not make me a hypocrite. I am sure that if you were to ask a super ball winner what they thought of gambling they would tell you that it was a great choice.

As far as my thoughts about going to an LCC. Why not? Plenty of pilots are retired military and therefore don't really need the money. It makes for a fun retirement/hobby job. I am reaching a point in my business and life where I could consider the same thing. In a few years my kids will be older and I most likely will have a secure source of passive income.

My career perspectives are changing. So long as I don't need the money and they are giving jobs away like candy then it would be fun for a year of two. It is my position that in the future most any airline job will be a snap to get. The pay will be an insult but why would I care? Hopefully they offer easier lines and faster upgrades in place of compensation.


In the future there will be two kinds of pilots. Impoverished youthful aviation monks and fat older hobby/retired guys.


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Old 05-06-2007 | 10:11 AM
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50K is not a lot of money anymore. When my generation started out we all left flight school with expectations of earning 250K by now. To some that might mean we were greedy and deluded. The current generation thinks that 50K is a lot of money.

Most of my peers fell way short of our goals. My question is where do you guys think you will end up with such low expectations?


You guys are all doomed. The next wave will come prepared to buy their jobs.


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Old 05-06-2007 | 10:16 AM
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thats the advantage of paying someone poverty wages for years, when they do upgrade and break the 50grand barrier they will think they won the lotto.
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Old 05-06-2007 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SAABaroowski
Im 26, and I dont think 50k is good, so try not to generalize too much on here
It's all relative. Depending on where and how you live $50k will make a comfortable living. My mom has raised three children, bought a nice home and more on about 70% of that. We don't take expensive vacations or fancy cars and that's fine.

Does that mean I'm satisified at 50k? No, but it's a start, and a hell of a lot better than I'm doing right now.
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Old 05-06-2007 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
It's all relative. Depending on where and how you live $50k will make a comfortable living. My mom has raised three children, bought a nice home and more on about 70% of that. We don't take expensive vacations or fancy cars and that's fine.

Does that mean I'm satisified at 50k? No, but it's a start, and a hell of a lot better than I'm doing right now.
Where do you live???????????????????? three children on 50k a year sounds like no picnic
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Old 05-06-2007 | 10:34 AM
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Midwest my friend. St. Louis area to be exact. Cost of living around here is nice and low. Like I said, we don't have a ton of nice things but it pays the bills and then some.

I'm amazed when traveling to see how much more things cost on the East Coast or California. Take homes for example. A nice, 3 to 4 bedroom home in a good school district in the area is rarely above $250k around here. Go out to the west coast and that house could cost $800k or more.
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Old 05-06-2007 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
Midwest my friend. St. Louis area to be exact. Cost of living around here is nice and low. Like I said, we don't have a ton of nice things but it pays the bills and then some.

I'm amazed when traveling to see how much more things cost on the East Coast or California. Take homes for example. A nice, 3 to 4 bedroom home in a good school district in the area is rarely above $250k around here. Go out to the west coast and that house could cost $800k or more.
try over a Million for a nice new 4-bedroom house in a nice area, in Jersey I dont understand what all these people do for a living, where they can afford these types of houses not to mention the BMW's that come with em............very depressing
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Old 05-06-2007 | 10:50 AM
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Sign on the dotted line Mr Saab. Reposessions and foreclosures are on the rise for a reason. Bimmers and huge houses are neat, but you don't need them. There are people in those houses that are living paycheck to paycheck just like a first year FO. The sad difference is that they're probably making a lot more money.
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