Since I was infracted for not using nice language and offending someone I will repost.

Our industry requires us to suck up to as many people as possible from many different companies regardless of being over qualified for the position.

Most industries want qualified people to fill the needed slots. They like you, you like them and it’s all done. Both parties happy.

Not the airlines. You have to go around proving you are willing to outspend, out travel, out pace and suck up more than your peers for a job that we are already doing. It’s not liking flying a mainline jet is in anyway shape or form different than flying a regional.

Anyway sorry for the offensive language of the first post. 🙄

And that right there is probably part of your problem. You think you are in the “flying airplanes” business. Flying airplanes is your technical skill, but just about every pilot position I can think of is in the customer service industry. Air show pilots have to keep sponsees happy. Crop dusters have to keep farmers happy. Cargo, the cargo clients.
Probably 90% of the issues I dealt with in day to day pax flying dealt with customer service, leaving the cockpit and dealing with issues. If you can’t display that skill most pax carriers don’t want you. Heck, even in the cargo world you still have to deal with “clients”. Loadmasters, ground people who don’t speak English, you name it.

Yeah. We are already doing that as pilots. What is your point? I very rarely have to deal with any customer issue anymore and in fact is advised not to get involved in absolutely needed.

Who advised you not to get involved? So you just hide in your cockpit and let gate agents explain problems? You do know some legacy carriers track that stuff with their feeder regionals. If you’re one of those captains don’t expect to get a call from them as you are demonstrating in your day to day operations that you don’t match their values.

Okay Captain America, thanks for the hot tip. I am sure the gate agents just love seeing your 4 bars coming to help fix (read complicate) every little issue.

No, not fix problems. But often explain to pax what's going on. And yeah, most gate agents do appreciate it- but you ask first, genius. Of course, you're probably afraid to tell a pilot to his/her face that you're denying them your jumpseat. So I can see why you want to hide behind a gate agent.

Cool, I am sure everybody appreciates you mansplaning them what the situation is Captain America. Sick leeway into the jumpseating issue dude! Sorry you're still ****ed your UALPA caved on first priority on non-exclusive UAX flights.

You know, I've never heard a pax or gate agent say they didn't appreciate it. But I have often heard them say they did.
Example. There's bad weather causing a ground delay at LGA. People pull up the weather and see that weather is fine in NYC and start getting ****ed because they think they're being lied to. You ask the agent if they would like you to make an announcement about it. They are more than happy to give you the mike. You tell the pax that, while the weather is nice in NYC, it stinks in DC area. Your arrival corridor goes through DC. Thus your flight, along with a bunch of other flights are rerouted and there's a traffic backup. People aren't happy about the delay, but they are no longer POed at the airline.
Again, it's called customer service. But you go ahead and hide in your cockpit and keep wondering why you don't get a call to a major.

lol, like someone would say they don't appreciate something even when they didn't. I guess you haven't been around humans for that long. I'm sure they let you interrupt to manspain the situation to them so you can have your little moment, but what you don't see is them rolling their eyes to each other after you leave.

btw, the scenario you gave had nothing to do with what Cyio was talking about. It's a basic part of every pilot's job, but thanks for manspaining that to us any way Captain America.

Well, yes it is. But you obviously aren't grasping it so- in your words- let me "mansplain" it to you.
Your piloting capabilities are something that is usually easy to define. A view of hours, type of flying, type ratings, failures, violations, etc.
Less easy to define is the human nature part of someone, how they interact with people.
Cyio, in his post, referenced flying ability and the fact that flying a regional is no different than flying a mainline. Having flown both regional turboprops, RJ's and heavy transports I would say that's not quite the case, but I get what he is saying. What he fails to see is that the other things, "sucking up" "traveling and paying money" (I assume to attend conferences) is where you can demonstrate an ability or a lack of ability to interact in a social environment with other people. Something that is tougher for people hiring to judge.
This is also a lesson you have failed to grasp. The thing is, you never know who you will interact with in this business. In your case, you obviously have a bunch of pent up hostility. I don't think I've read a post by you where you don't display this. Even a forum such as this where you are "anonymous" your demeaner can have an impact on your future. I've seen pilots blow interviews who didn't even know they were being interviewed.
So lighten up Francis. And remember, it's Captain America SIR when you address me.

Um OK, way to pick the most basic answer. Yes, if you are sitting on a ground delay due to weather, it is expected to make an announcement. If there is a passenger dispute, well you are not always expected to get up and deal with it, that's why the company hires professional managers to do that. You know, the ones you call when there is an actual problem.

The point still stands to my original post and just because you are trying to derail it by making it seem like top level execs track how often you come out of the cockpit doest make it any less true.

Actually, at least one legacy airline does ask that question in customer service surveys. Now I doubt very much a top-level exec is looking at every one of those surveys, but you can bet HR people in charge of inviting pilots to interviews will probably get that information if a name keeps popping up. In addition, you never, ever know who is a passenger on that airplane and is waiting in the gate area. It very well could be a top-level exec.
As for "highjacking" the thread, hardly. You focused on the "stick and rudder" part of being an airline pilot without even mentioning other aspects. When I mentioned problem-solving and dealing with pax, you initially responded that you were told not to do so without any constraints.
The thing is, those "intangibles" that indicate an ability to problem solve in a social environment are probably the most difficult to evalute from a resume, but HR people have to try. They have thousands of apps from pilots who meet the minimum qualifications and, as I'm sure you've noticed over your years of flying, there is little correlation between flying experience and the ability to interact with people. Even my cargo airline puts a premium on hiring FO's who can interact with people all over the world with little supervision and can do so without losing us a contract.
So I guess we can go around and around and you and "greatmoviestar" can get angry and stomp your feet and call me Captain America (I would just remind you as well, to add "Sir" to my title). Or, if you have not reached the professional level you desire, you can take a step back, listen and maybe evaluate how you can improve your chances.

ohhh wow, thanks for mansplainin that to us Captain America. That was quite educational and none of us lowly Regional pilots knew how it all worked.

btw, why do you spend most of your day on the Regional boards when as you claim you don't work for them anymore? Gracing us with your sage knowledge no doubt. I am sure none of us are rolling our eyes at you like all those FAs and Gate Agents do.

One more time, it's Captain America "Sir" to you.

That's ok. You can roll your eyes. I've made it on to bigger and better things. You? And I always asked the gate agents if they needed help. You can convince yourself that you do the right thing by hiding in the cockpit, but in the meantime don't be surprised when you don't get a call from a higher paying airline. Remember, you don't know who is in that gate area.
See that's the other thing with these forums. Advice can be freely given and, if you don't like it you're more than free to ignore it and move on. There is no policy that I'm aware of restricting one to a certain section, but if you can produce one I will abide by it. You probably cant' but until then, and until you get to that summit of your aviation career you might want to take a deep breath, relax, and listen to those who have been in your place. You might not like what we have to say, but sometimes the tough advice is the best advice.

Your "friendly" advice was to tell a poster what his/her problem is, then proceed to Captain America (and not the one from the movies, more like the one from Generation Kill) mansplain what almost every Regional pilot does day in and day out any way like it was some big new revelation nobody knew about.

No, you are here on the Regional boards for only one reason and that is to troll and talk down to Regional pilots, compensating for all the things you are missing in your real life. You claimed before you don't work for United, but yet you are here in all the United posts. lol

Doesn't it suck when those you perceive as below you don't respect you anymore? I am sure you are very use to that in your every day life.

Frankly, it doesn't bother me in the slightest how you feel and I never perceived anyone here as "below me". Last I checked you aren't a moderator and so far I haven't had a moderator ask me to stop posting.
You have no idea who I am and what I do in my "real life". If anything you seem to be the one angry at your life and everyone in general. If you actually read my posts you can probably figure out where I am now and where I'm going. Heck, you post in the Delta forum but you obviously aren't there right now.
A few pilots in this thread were complaining about United Aviate. The specific poster was obviously complaining about legacy hiring practices and complained that "stick and rudder" skills were the same in both regionals and majors. I responded to some of the criticism. The response was not welcome. It's the internet. So be it. My kids roll their eyes and don't always appreciate my advice. Your response bothers me about as much their response.
My assumption is that those posting in the Regional area are pilots who wish to move on. As someone who has moved on from the regionals, I gave advice pertinent to the subject. Perhaps I was a little harsh. But legacy hiring is what it is. Learn to deal with it. But you might want to actually take a step back and listen. Again, you have no idea who you talk to. Behind the "anonymous" names could be someone who can help you.

Not all regional pilots are "doing it" day in day out. Heck, just last month I was on a regional jet that got pushed back, sat there for 20 minutes, then got pulled back into the gate all with no explanation. Finally, a gate agent came on board and told us we had to deplane due to an MX issue. No announcement from the pilots who stayed in the cockpit with the door closed the entire time. I'm not involved in HR, but that's probably a good way to get yourself in the "don't interview" pile if a customer survey is given out.

So do as you wish. But sorry, I won't stop posting. I may pull back in certain areas as my experience is no longer pertinent, such as specifics about the current day to day operations of my old regional. But other experiences are still pertinent. If you want to listen to people echoing your thoughts I suggest you go to your crew lounge and complain there. I'm sure you'll get a bunch of atta boys that will help your lack of confidence.

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Not sure what to tell you. I grew up in an age of reading, not short hand text. I’m sure someone can put my wall of text to emojis so you you can understand it.

I'm confused. I have zero hours and am going to the LIFT academy with the plan of flying with Republic for 5 years and then go to United/Delta/American. Is this Aviate program a faster/better choice for me? Trying to find the fastest path from 0 hours to UA.

If United does what they want to do with this program it will be the primary feeder. In 5 years it may be as difficult to get to United through Republic as it currently is to get to American outside the flow. That’s the whole point of the program. They want more people going to their exclusive carriers. If they don’t stop everyone from flocking to Republic and SkyWest they will be at their mercy. So they are playing the ultimate trump card.

Actually my posts stated there is no difference in the job. Believe I stated “ we are already doing the same job”. As for Captains jumping out and helping, I have yet to see anyone on any of the mainline flights I jumpseat on do so in the manner You are starting. In fact this just happened last week on a United flight. There was a passenger issue that the captain was made aware of but ultimately a customer service manager came and solved it. In such a litigious and polarized society they do not want some random captain interpreting the rules on their own individual merit.

I understand that at times and for certain things you need to get involved but it is far less common these days.

This is an interesting point. If United uses the program in this way, the UAXEs could be staffed primarily with new hires who already hold a United CJO and only need to fulfill their minimum service requirements at their respective regional. Would this essentially be a flow with United preserving their ability to participate in selecting who ends up in their cockpits?

Naw, Captain America Blackhawk were certainly save the day!


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Tell yourself it won't happen to you.

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For now you can’t interview in the Aviate program until you are employed at one of their regionals. But if they are being sincere with their communications once you are accepted into the program (for now they are scheduling interviews almost immediately) it is very similar to a flow with only a final review of dependability (sick calls, etc.).

Ha ha. It’s nothing like a flow. A flow requires no interview, technical, or “personality assessment.” Aviate requires all of those.

I do however, think it’s a great deal for the CFI’s.

My point was once you pass the interview very early in your career it is like a flow from that point. United has also publicly stated they intend for this to be their primary hiring source and the fastest path to United going forward.

They are trying to attract new hires to their exclusive regionals. They are at the point where they have to demonstrate that this is real or continue to watch new hires go elsewhere. All the signs seem to indicate they are very serious about this.

Until you happen to get sick over a holiday.


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Let me get this straight... I can interview with United Aviate as soon as I'm a CA/FO at one of the United express regionals, and once I have 2 years with the regional I upgrade to United. Seems like a great deal to me.

You can apply. Your app might get selected, it might not.

But at least you know on the front end. Within a few months of working for the company. Then you can plan accordingly and do what you need to do.

Do you really think they will give a TBNT just a few months in? Not likely. Someone who isn’t selected will just hear nothing for an extended period of time so they help staffing at the UA regional feed. If they told you know 6 months in, what reason do you have to stay?


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Yes I do. From what I am hearing notifications will come quickly. We will know more next week. I expect that at least initially it will be a very high success rate. They want excitement around this to grow these regionals. The ones being strung along are the ones not getting the interview in the first place.

Where do you hear these things? I’m a new hire too and all I get are standard company emails while I twiddle my thumbs for weeks waiting to start IOE.

The ones not getting interviews are who I am talking about. They will never be told they were unsuccessful, they will just sit in limbo hoping to be picked eventually without knowing their true fate. Also, if they offer a lot of interviews right off the bat, I sure hope the success rate is high because a failure at any point is just incentive to make a lateral move.


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Just wait and see my friend. Sometimes it’s not about what you hear. You just have to open your eyes.

When you "open your eyes" in front of the mirror do you see a recruiter and or a manager?

What a joke

I think the above comment is simply referencing the marketing arm of AVIATE. AVIATE is a product and all products are marketed. Not sending out TBNT is a marketing tool as well!

TSH companies (TSA & GoJet)
 

I’m trying to make sense of why TSA & GoJet aren’t currently involved in the Aviate program. I don’t know TSA’s contractual status with UAL, but GoJet just signed a 10-year deal with UAL so it doesn’t seem to be related to UAL’s commitment to these regionals. Is the flow that TSA and GoJet have to Frontier complicating or outright preventing TSA and GoJet’s participation in Aviate somehow? Other thoughts?