Same response I got 4 months ago when I said DECs were on the horizon for XJT. At the time the upgrade had just dropped from 7 years to 4. But it’s all good. Like I said. Wait and see.

You answered your own question

I wonder when the TSH (GoJet/TSA) & Frontier flow agreement ends. At this point, probably can’t end fast enough for GoJet/TSA; nothing against F9, but the inability to join Aviate seems like it’d be a major hinderance in recruiting for the TSH companies.

Alternatively, I also find it a deterrent for going to TSA because I consider F9 a realistic option and they won't hire outside of the flow.

They can't. That would open the floodgates for current pilots to get out, especially considering TSA has a DEN base and F9 was practically hiring anyone with an ATP not long ago. TSH wouldn't be able to staff for attrition at either airline.

The F9 flow at the TSH airlines is a trap for current pilots, not an incentive for new ones.

You will take the Hogan in Denver. There is no difference between the off the street interview and the Aviate interview if you employed by a UAX carrier.

Yeah not sure why they went through the hoops of telling us it was something different. 100 percent just the hogan

Does the Aviate program require a degree? If not, does an applicant get an unbiased interview providing that they pass the Hogan, or are they up against some long odds getting a job offer without one?

I was told interview results will come in batches and start after the new year.

A degree is not required but it is very clear that if you dont have one you must have a very impressive resume. Chief Pilot being an example

Go in there and do your best. Obviously if you got the invite to interview, they liked something about you, and think you could make a great addition to their team. They would know based on your application if you were ever a chief pilot, or have this other supposedly great “leadership” experience they want. Who knows, maybe they want to have have a high rejection rate to make it seem like the program is competitive, or they will make it a condition to have that bachelors before moving over. It does beg the question though, is it even worth applying too without it, being a one shot deal and all?!

Lol really that’s insane if that’s the way they are doing. I don’t care what anyone says that’s unacceptable

woah do you really only have 1 chance to apply via Aviate?

Is it recommended to wait until you have experience that is considered competitive to apply? This whole multiple shot deal is new to me. When I was trying to get on, if Delta shot you down you simply scratched them off your list and hoped for someone else to call. Everything was a one chance deal.

One shot in Aviate. Your second chance now has to be OTS.

I don’t see what the big deal is here. Don’t go in acting entitled to the job. Work your butt off to prepare for it like it’s the biggest day of your life. If you do that you will be fine. If you take it for granted you will not be successful. It is not a difficult concept.

The whole point of Aviate is to place pilots into a flow-like list before they have the experience. Experience has nothing to do with the interview. Flying 3 or 4 thousand hours does absolutely nothing to prepare you for TMAAT questions. If anything it will make you worse because of all the crappy advice you will hear during that time. And for the technical part memorizing a few profiles doesn’t take a whole lot of experience either. I will say doing the interview as early as while still in training could be a bad idea, but if you have even 100 hrs in the plane you have plenty of experience to pass this interview. Really just off of OE should be good enough.

I'm just off OE, and I'm having a really hard time coming up with stories for these TMAAT questions FWIW

Not how they’re doing it. I got an answer about 10 days after I interviewed.

Good I that would be crazy. Care to give any details yes/no further details on the fifo list.

They know you don’t have a lot of time in 121. Tell them stories from your previous work. They simply want to know how you have handled difficult situations in the past so they can gauge how you might handle those situations in the future. Don’t get caught up in the weeds.

Oe training gives you plenty of TMAAT. Stories.

The United Aviate Program is a joke!
 

United does not want to hire you from their Aviate program. They want you to fly their passengers at a fraction of the cost. I did the interview and didn't get it. The majority of interviewees during my interview were military. That should tell you something about their little Aviate Program. I should have moved on from XJT a long time ago. They definitely did a good job of stringing us along thinking we'll have a shot at United.

The crazy part is, they are luring younger people into thinking they should fly for one of the 4 regionals. Then they will go to United when their time has been met. That makes me sick! I would be very upset if I was in this program and went through college thinking I would get hired. I have done a fair amount of time at XJT. No major issues that would prevent me from being part of the program and still denied...twice.

Do not Opt in to their program. You will only be setting yourself up for failure when you see the other people in the interview are mainly NOT regional pilots.

Rant over.

Plenty of people getting in. Just because you didn’t doesn’t mean the program is a bust.

I have had 6 good buds from Xjet that completed their interviews and received CJO’s. Maybe you need to look internal and figure out why.

That were successful with 'Aviate'? or the 'CPP'?

They passed the Aviate process and received CJO’s.

So they already had the UAX time to go to UAL? Or do they now have to complete the hour requirements?

They have met all the requirements but have to wait 6 months per the new Aviate requirements. All of them had been at Xjet 7+ years and meet the hour requirements.

Well it sounds like the program is a lot better then people are making it out to be. Obviously it’s not going to be a 100% success rate, hence the interview process and not a flow. Thanks for the information, a lot of my buddies were really stressed after reading the email from United about candidates being under prepared. But since 6 candidates that you know alone in the first week were successful, it sounds like it’s going well.

6 out of what? 100?? They are running interviews of 12 people 2 times a day. Almost everyday! They definitely had to accept some otherwise that would make their new program look bad. I'm not bitter, I've already moved on, just want people to see that this is another carrot and no reason to fly for these regionals if United is your goal. Sure a free interview, but can you imaging if you thought you'd go to United while you were spending 100k on flying to pursue the mainline.

Under prepared is an interesting phrase from a company that keeps changing the program as more questions come up and forced everyone to apply within a month in order to get in on the first wave.

They prepped. Didn’t take it lightly

I gotta agree with you here. This is not a flow like American has. The program is still too new to know if success rates will be better than CPP was.

Here's my advice for anyone going to the interview. Study the technical guide and be ready to recite the profiles cold. Make sure you have good stories lined up, but don't recite the stories, tell them. From what I gathered they're looking to make sure that you're a genuine person.

^^^^^ This.
Prep. Treat the interview as you would a check ride.
Get HR prep. The better prep companies won’t give you “canned” answers but will help you refine your answers, give you a chance to practice different questions with an impartial observer and have some answers ready. Maybe critique things- if your answers sound like a George Carlin skit you may need some work. If every other word out of your mouth is “uhhh” and “ummmm”, you may need some work. If your “tell me about yourself” takes 10 minutes you may need some work.
This is a million dollar interview. Treat it as such.

Has the December interview dates been released?

Yes. Two days ago.

If the regionals don’t have there December schedules how are we to actually pick a firm date?

Bid it off?

Pick your date and then work with your CP for time off. That’s what I did and had no issues.

Carrot 2.0
 

They should call it Carrot 2.0


No data at all exists for hire rate. I've seen all sorts selected that maybe shouldn't have been, and many that I would honestly hire before my own self get turned down more than once.

The best analogy is:

"We need 20 people. Put everyone who's not a hard 'No' in a hat, pull 20 names, and send them a CJO. Send everyone else a TBNT letter."

If you JUST KNOW you won't get stuck here/definitely get hired at UAL/etc....good luck.

One minute they hire the 7 month FO, the next minute they're turning down a military guy who's a line check airman/instructor. I've known more than one.

Best advice: you get an interview. Probably. But it's a lottery ticket. And don't get shot down at the final review board. That's happened to for unknown reasons.

A FoF is a UAL CA who gives thumbs up and thumbs down at interviews/boards. They've even gone against what recommendation HE made.