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YANXJTPilot 11-09-2019 10:05 AM

Prep
 
I have heard from an extremely reliable source that UAL wants prep companies to go away.

They want to talk to the real you.

For better or worse. #Integrity.

jetlag q 11-09-2019 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2920847)
Pick your date and then work with your CP for time off. That’s what I did and had no issues.

Thanks for the advice. Didn’t even think of that

jetlag q 11-09-2019 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by YANXJTPilot (Post 2920883)
I have heard from an extremely reliable source that UAL wants prep companies to go away.

They want to talk to the real you.

For better or worse. #Integrity.

I could see that.

Blackhawk 11-09-2019 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by YANXJTPilot (Post 2920883)
I have heard from an extremely reliable source that UAL wants prep companies to go away.

They want to talk to the real you.

For better or worse. #Integrity.

I don’t think that is good advice.
Good prep companies don’t tell who to be, they help you communicate who you are. A prep company helps you tell the HR people who you are. You may have a fantastic life story, but if it takes you 5 minutes to tell it you’ve probably lost the interview.

XJTFO 11-09-2019 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2920987)
I don’t think that is good advice.
Good prep companies don’t tell who to be, they help you communicate who you are. A prep company helps you tell the HR people who you are. You may have a fantastic life story, but if it takes you 5 minutes to tell it you’ve probably lost the interview.

They told me I have 5 minutes. Prep companies tell people 2-3 minutes.

Blackhawk 11-09-2019 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by XJTFO (Post 2921103)
They told me I have 5 minutes. Prep companies tell people 2-3 minutes.

Five minutes is the maximum. That’s when they cut you off. Not necessarily a goal.

NovemberBravo 11-10-2019 06:13 AM

I don’t think prep is really necessary if you truly practice at home and get your hands on a list of TMAAT questions.

OOfff 11-10-2019 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2921267)
I don’t think prep is really necessary if you truly practice at home and get your hands on a list of TMAAT questions.

I strongly disagree. Good feedback is invaluable when practicing those questions.

Itsajob 11-10-2019 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2921267)
I don’t think prep is really necessary if you truly practice at home and get your hands on a list of TMAAT questions.

Others have said the same thing. They thought that their stories were great. They thought that their application and logbooks were error free. Turns out that the people in the interview saw things differently and then we read about how this or that program is a scam when someone gets turned down. It doesn’t matter if you are interviewing at United, Delta, American........ you are trying to land a job that will pay millions of dollars over your career. You will most likely only get one shot at that company. I think that one would have to be nuts to decide that a second opinion wasn’t worth a few hundred bucks.

LoneStar32 11-10-2019 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by YANXJTPilot (Post 2920883)
I have heard from an extremely reliable source that UAL wants prep companies to go away.

They want to talk to the real you.

For better or worse. #Integrity.

Yep, they always say that but guess which people get the call backs and guess which get the TBNT letter? You’re just going to get outperformed by those who do use one.

XJTFO 11-11-2019 03:25 AM

To prep with a formal company or not depends on your background. If you have extensive experience conducting STAR interviews yourself or have been through many HR interviews before in passed jobs you may be just fine. The key is to be very specific, complete your thoughts , and make sure you give details in your actions. Never use the words I always , usually , sometimes etc... Take a minute to think before answering during the interview no matter how prepared you are. I think people get thrown a curveball with some of the questions because they didn’t have a story prepared and then just spit out whatever comes to mind. It is ok to take your time. A minute to you will feel a lot slower than a minute to the interviews as they expect you to think and be methodical as we are on the flight deck.

patternaltitude 11-11-2019 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by UnitedAviate (Post 2919296)
United does not want to hire you from their Aviate program. They want you to fly their passengers at a fraction of the cost. I did the interview and didn't get it. The majority of interviewees during my interview were military. That should tell you something about their little Aviate Program. I should have moved on from XJT a long time ago. They definitely did a good job of stringing us along thinking we'll have a shot at United.

The crazy part is, they are luring younger people into thinking they should fly for one of the 4 regionals. Then they will go to United when their time has been met. That makes me sick! I would be very upset if I was in this program and went through college thinking I would get hired. I have done a fair amount of time at XJT. No major issues that would prevent me from being part of the program and still denied...twice.

Do not Opt in to their program. You will only be setting yourself up for failure when you see the other people in the interview are mainly NOT regional pilots.

Rant over.

Why did you do the interview if the program is such a joke?

XJTFO 11-12-2019 01:10 AM


Originally Posted by patternaltitude (Post 2922149)
Why did you do the interview if the program is such a joke?

Take everything with a grain of salt. People say the program is such a scam and just a recruiting tool.... then why are they being so selective? If they wanted to use it solely as a recruiting tool, they would accept everyone then turn them down at the end. If you get in, you are in no way guarantee an FO position but it’s pretty much yours to lose.

tailwheel48 11-12-2019 06:42 AM

United has announced that Bebe O'Neill, former base chief pilot for the Denver base, has been promoted to Managing Director of the Aviate program.

Anybody who's followed her progress knows she's going places within the company.

So, to me, this announcement suggests that United is putting a lot of emphasis on the Aviate program, and, if you're serious about a career with United, ignore Aviate at your own risk!

Itsajob 11-12-2019 10:32 AM

Does anyone know how many of the people who were turned down during the CPP program were lacking a 4 year degree? Some were due to attitude or other reasons, but they place a huge emphasis on the degree. A program may get your name drawn out of the hat, but if you don’t have what they want they are not likely to offer the job.

sflpilot 11-12-2019 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by XJTFO (Post 2922268)
Take everything with a grain of salt. People say the program is such a scam and just a recruiting tool.... then why are they being so selective? If they wanted to use it solely as a recruiting tool, they would accept everyone then turn them down at the end. If you get in, you are in no way guarantee an FO position but it’s pretty much yours to lose.

No one knows right now what the rejection rate will be at the end because the program has not gone that far yet. The reliability review at the end is going to be subjective. Even if you are accepted I would still apply at the other majors and if hired I suggest taking it and not wait for United.

HVAA 11-13-2019 03:49 PM

Tbnt
xjt ca

afterburn81 11-13-2019 03:56 PM

^^
Same here. XJT CA - 4 year degree

calico 11-14-2019 01:22 AM

tbnt. fo + 4 year degree w/ grad degree.

RabidW0mbat 11-14-2019 05:25 AM

Tbnt
FO / no degree
Veteran + outside experience - 2nd career.

terks43 11-14-2019 05:30 AM

These programs do not exist for YOUR career progression. They exist solely to staff their B scale cheap labor, they have every incentive to turn away as many people as possible.

cal73 11-14-2019 06:08 AM

United Aviate
 

Originally Posted by MooseAg03 (Post 2911501)
Until you happen to get sick over a holiday.


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Express Alum here.

I don’t think this is true. At least not to the degree your post would infer. I’ve called in sick on Christmas Eve. I never heard peep.
If you have an attendance problem already (History of UTCs, no shows, and a bunch of sick calls >4/Year) then you might want to avoid banging out on a major holiday.

MooseAg03 11-14-2019 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by cal73 (Post 2923610)
Express Alum here.

I don’t think this is true. At least not to the degree your post would infer. I’ve called in sick on Christmas Eve. I never heard peep.
If you have an attendance problem already (History of UTCs, no shows, and a bunch of sick calls >4/Year) then you might want to avoid banging out on a major holiday.


The previous CPP was specifically updated just prior to when I was hired to state that a sick call over a company holiday would disqualify you. I am being a bit sarcastic because the new Aviate doesn’t specifically address the situation, however you are required to pass a subjective ‘final review’ prior to getting the nod to United.


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MooseAg03 11-14-2019 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat (Post 2923585)
Tbnt

FO / no degree

Veteran + outside experience - 2nd career.



Did you fly in the military? And did you use an interview prep service?


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RabidW0mbat 11-14-2019 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by MooseAg03 (Post 2923646)
Did you fly in the military? And did you use an interview prep service?


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Negative to both. That said, I thought the HR went well, I blew the tech out of the water. Only unknowns are the Hogan and the lack of degree. They asked about why I had no degree, had what I thought was a good answer, and they knew I was in school currently working on it and about 10 classes from being done.

calico 11-14-2019 07:32 AM

i did the prep and through it went well, but apparently not.

greatmovieistar 11-14-2019 11:11 AM

Wow, what a joke this aviate program is

backtoregionals 11-14-2019 06:16 PM

How long after the AVIATE interview is it taking folks to hear back?

afterburn81 11-14-2019 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by backtoregionals (Post 2924086)
How long after the AVIATE interview is it taking folks to hear back?


Seems like 7-10 days. From what I understand they do a review every other Wednesday.

CherieBerry 11-17-2019 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2908296)
There is no Hogan on for Aviate. There is a leadership assessment that you take in Denver on interview day.

It’s the Hogan. It has its name right on it when you start it.

NovemberBravo 11-17-2019 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by CherieBerry (Post 2925502)
It’s the Hogan. It has its name right on it when you start it.

Yeah I bought the kool aid they were selling us. Not sure why they told us it was something else. But confirmed same old hogan

backtoregionals 11-18-2019 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2925593)
Yeah I bought the kool aid they were selling us. Not sure why they told us it was something else. But confirmed same old hogan

They even said in one of the AVIATE calls it was a different test tailored to pilots.

GoFaster 11-20-2019 06:08 AM

Anyone else not get a call to interview that submitted in the first wave?

DarkSideMoon 11-20-2019 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by CherieBerry (Post 2925502)
It’s the Hogan. It has its name right on it when you start it.

Hogan is the company, not the name of the specific test. The test may be completely different than the previous one.

NovemberBravo 11-20-2019 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2926912)
Hogan is the company, not the name of the specific test. The test may be completely different than the previous one.

As someone who took it and other hogan test this is in no way any different.

DarkSideMoon 11-20-2019 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2926943)
As someone who took it and other hogan test this is in no way any different.

There are like 500 questions. Just because it’s the same type of questions doesn’t mean the test is the same or the parameters they’re looking for are the same.

NovemberBravo 11-20-2019 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 2926948)
There are like 500 questions. Just because it’s the same type of questions doesn’t mean the test is the same or the parameters they’re looking for are the same.

Agree the parameters may be different.

mcat 11-25-2019 01:24 PM

TBNT...ZW 8000 hours, 4 year degree, volunteer outside of work, clean record

backtoregionals 11-25-2019 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by acestro (Post 2929850)
Also received the TBNT today. Will leave XJT after year one for an AA wholly owned.

When did you interview?

Sorry to hear you got turned down.

PeakEGT 11-25-2019 03:29 PM

I also got a TBNT today. Thought I had a story to tell for every question, had call outs down cold. I’m fairly new to XJT so whether it’s experience or me who knows. Good luck to those interviewing and who received a welcome letter!


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