Mesaba new hires
11-08-2009, 03:52 PM
#6441
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
Bingo, Yahtze, DING DING DING, we have a winner. For anyone who can't understand why compass' flow might be better, it's because they're so very much smaller. How many have flowed or even gotten the chance to flow from Mesaba? And mesaba can flow 10 a month? so... that takes... hmmm... roughly forever for a new hire to flow, assuming delta hires forever.... I would be scared to be at compass because I still think Delta will furlough and flush their list... I'm not terrifically interested in a third furlough.
For the guys who can't understand those that would leave the career... keep in mind the guys at the bottom of Mesaba's list now are all second time furloughee's... how many times do you have to get kicked before you think... hmmm.. maybe I should do something else...
We'll see how it all pans out.. then we can look back in 20/20
For the guys who can't understand those that would leave the career... keep in mind the guys at the bottom of Mesaba's list now are all second time furloughee's... how many times do you have to get kicked before you think... hmmm.. maybe I should do something else...
We'll see how it all pans out.. then we can look back in 20/20
DAL has already released their Spring/Summer 2010 schedule, & it requires the same staffing as last year. No furloughs for now.
11-08-2009, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
That's good then.
11-08-2009, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I personally don't care so much about the interview as I do about the requirements. The specific one I am referring to is the requirement of a Bachelor's degree. I don't think Compass should be a back-door way into Delta without meeting the requirements.
I am only 99% sure about this, but to be eligible for the flow, one of the requirements is that you need to meet all of Delta's requirements... which would include having a bachelors degree. So there would be no back-door way around it.
11-08-2009, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bored
As for XJ mgmt... it's pretty obvious why they haven't come out and committed to a furlough schedule. beyond Jan 2010. As JR said in his memo, block hours flown dictate staffing (which is exactly why CP is hiring.) Even with saabs going away 2/month, our 200 and 900 flying hours could get increased a lot. Until XJ knows the flying given to us by DL, it's impossible for XJ to have firm staffing numbers. They're not afraid of a mass exodus... because they know very well there is NOWHERE to go.
11-09-2009, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Farva
yup i did know what I was getting into and I knew nobody promised me anything. I am just thinking about my kids, that is all. I love flying and I love working with everybody on the line here at Mesaba. I have to think about my kids and I cannot afford to screw up. I am staying till I get hired by somebody in a particular field or until I get a letter in the mail. I know people before me at mesaba have been through this before and have been furloughed, had a cut in pay, sat ready reserve for 7 years, and I am not saying jump ship cause mesaba is going down the tube. I just have a option to go somewhere else to provide for my family. Some people do not have that option so I am willing to leave to let someone else stay for however long there services are needed. I will give this job my 100% till my last day.
-Farv
-Farv
I am sorry to see you leave Mesaba. I don't know who you are but all your posts have been respectful and professional. I know you are a good pilot and a consumate professional. So whatever you decide to do, I am sure you'll do well. I think Mesaba is losing a good pilot. Thanks Delta.
I am not going to tell you what to do but before you make your final decision, ask yourself, what is it you really want to do. If the answer is you like to fly more than anything you have ever done and flying is your passion, you should definitely stick it out at Mesaba. If the answer is no to flying than you should by all means seek greener pasture out of aviation.
Why am I trying to give you this piece if advice you have not asked for?
I am giving you this advice because if you wait this one out, I have a very good reason to believe that 2010 Fall time period or sooner, Mesaba will get really good news in terms of replacement aircraft.
Retirement numbers at Majors look really good starting 2012 and if you can wait another 2 to 5 years you have a very good chance of making it to one of the Major Airlines. It does not have to be Delta.
Last edited by Lighteningspeed; 11-09-2009 at 11:01 AM.
11-09-2009, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jayray
You asked and I answered. Above everything else don't forget that Mesaba as it looks right now will shed roughly half of the pilot group in the next two years. Compass states it will hire 60 new pilots. Why do you think some pilots at Mesaba want to go to Compass? Is it that difficult of a question to answer? As for the airplane, what do you think the chance Delta will take away some of their planes? Slim to none I say. Would you rather work at a company right now with a bunch of turbo props and 200s or an all 76 seater fleet?
Your post shows how little you know about the airline business. I have sat next to Delta management types and he told me that Delta is concerned about the acquisition cost and operating cost of E175 which is considerably higher than CRJ900s. I do not expect to see any expansion of E175 fleet size at Compass. Delta is run by beancounters, and only numbers count, not what pilots think about E175s. I expect see Mesaba CRJ200s and Saabs numbers eventually replaced by CRJ7s and CRJ9s.
Only Mesaba pilots even considering going over to Compass are those at the bottom about to be furloughed. And I do not blame them for that. They have to do what they have to do. However, there is no way I would give up my seniority at Mesaba to start at the bottom at Compass. I turned down Compass over 2 years ago when they started hiring in 2007 for the same reasons stated very clearly by Bored.
Mesaba has better work rules which translates into more money even if the rate is lower by few cents. One only needs to compare work rules at Compass next to Mesaba. It starts at the beginning during the training. Mesaba pays monthly guarantee plus per diem for those based out of MSP, and pays for hotel single occupancy room for the entire duration of the training both for ground and for sim training. Ask Compass pilots how Compass handles lodging and pay during training. The list goes on to things like if you get bypassed for upgrade at Mesaba and the junior guy gets finished with IOE, or 90 days up, you automatically get the CA pay on the equipment you got bypassed. Does Compass have such a rule? The list goes on and on.
You need to go over to Compass because Mesaba does not need pilots like with a bad attitude like yours the minute things turn stagnant. Seriously, we have no desire to talk you out of leaving Mesaba. Go in peace and leave Mesaba.
Good luck with your flying career.
11-09-2009, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
Your post shows how little you know about the airline business. I have sat next to Delta management types and he told me that Delta is concerned about the acquisition cost and operating cost of E175 which is considerably higher than CRJ900s. I do not expect to see any expansion of E175 fleet size at Compass. Delta is run by beancounters, and only numbers count, not what pilots think about E175s. I expect see Mesaba CRJ200s and Saabs numbers eventually replaced by CRJ7s and CRJ9s.
Only Mesaba pilots even considering going over to Compass are those at the bottom about to be furloughed. And I do not blame them for that. They have to do what they have to do. However, there is no way I would give up my seniority at Mesaba to start at the bottom at Compass. I turned down Compass over 2 years ago when they started hiring in 2007 for the same reasons stated very clearly by Bored.
Mesaba has better work rules which translates into more money even if the rate is lower by few cents. One only needs to compare work rules at Compass next to Mesaba. It starts at the beginning during the training. Mesaba pays monthly guarantee plus per diem for those based out of MSP, and pays for hotel single occupancy room for the entire duration of the training both for ground and for sim training. Ask Compass pilots how Compass handles lodging and pay during training. The list goes on to things like if you get bypassed for upgrade at Mesaba and the junior guy gets finished with IOE, or 90 days up, you automatically get the CA pay on the equipment you got bypassed. Does Compass have such a rule? The list goes on and on.
You need to go over to Compass because Mesaba does not need pilots like with a bad attitude like yours the minute things turn stagnant. Seriously, we have no desire to talk you out of leaving Mesaba. Go in peace and leave Mesaba.
Good luck with your flying career.
Only Mesaba pilots even considering going over to Compass are those at the bottom about to be furloughed. And I do not blame them for that. They have to do what they have to do. However, there is no way I would give up my seniority at Mesaba to start at the bottom at Compass. I turned down Compass over 2 years ago when they started hiring in 2007 for the same reasons stated very clearly by Bored.
Mesaba has better work rules which translates into more money even if the rate is lower by few cents. One only needs to compare work rules at Compass next to Mesaba. It starts at the beginning during the training. Mesaba pays monthly guarantee plus per diem for those based out of MSP, and pays for hotel single occupancy room for the entire duration of the training both for ground and for sim training. Ask Compass pilots how Compass handles lodging and pay during training. The list goes on to things like if you get bypassed for upgrade at Mesaba and the junior guy gets finished with IOE, or 90 days up, you automatically get the CA pay on the equipment you got bypassed. Does Compass have such a rule? The list goes on and on.
You need to go over to Compass because Mesaba does not need pilots like with a bad attitude like yours the minute things turn stagnant. Seriously, we have no desire to talk you out of leaving Mesaba. Go in peace and leave Mesaba.
Good luck with your flying career.
my post toward a company, not a person. You have to make direct personal insults and then tell me to leave Mesaba? Thanks. I thought I was taking part in a civilized discussion and voicing an opinion that a lot of people have.
11-09-2009, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
Farva,
Why am I trying to give you this piece if advice you have not asked for?
I am giving you this advice because if you wait this one out, I have a very good reason to believe that 2010 Fall time period or sooner, Mesaba will get really good news in terms of replacement aircraft.
Retirement numbers at Majors look really good starting 2012 and if you can wait another 2 to 5 years you have a very good chance of making it to one of the Major Airlines. It does not have to be Delta.
Why am I trying to give you this piece if advice you have not asked for?
I am giving you this advice because if you wait this one out, I have a very good reason to believe that 2010 Fall time period or sooner, Mesaba will get really good news in terms of replacement aircraft.
Retirement numbers at Majors look really good starting 2012 and if you can wait another 2 to 5 years you have a very good chance of making it to one of the Major Airlines. It does not have to be Delta.
Where do you think said replacement aircraft are coming from? Large RJs are capped, so no new ones coming without new mainline orders.
11-09-2009, 02:41 PM
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