If he was your DPE, you must retake checkride
07-25-2020 | 12:48 PM
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It is almost as despicable as not tipping a van driver, sorry had to say it. In all seriousness though, its horrible for those that got caught up in this. I am honestly amazed it has happened as I have not once, in well over 20 years of taking check rides, ever had one that was anything less than above board.
i work with many ex-ASIs and they told me some stories of similar circumstances too.
The FAA actually has some type of investigative branch. I don’t know how you would catch these DPEs unless it were some type of undercover ‘give me check ride and let’s make sure you are doing it right’ operation or some checked student pilot/upgrade pilot turns the DPE in if s/he even knows what is/is not a valid check.
I know of at least one ASI who was cooking the books.
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Teterboro-based aviation safety inspector Harrington Bishop, 63, entered a guilty plea in a federal court Thursday on charges of receiving illegal gratuities in exchange for what court documents allege were hundreds of unauthorized pilot check rides. Bishop had been assigned to the Teterboro FSDO. On available days off, weekends, and holidays, from May 2004 to February 2011, he allegedly took pilots on check rides at Cave Flight School at Flying W Airport in Medford, NJ. Pilots who flew with him on those occasions ultimately numbered in the hundreds. None of the flights were authorized, each one illegally paid Bishop, and in almost every case a certificate was granted to the tested pilot.
Pilots were allegedly tested for anything from private to airline transport pilot certificates. Bishop allegedly collected tips that amounted to $300 per flight on average from the hundreds of pilots he managed to fly with over seven years. This, in spite of the fact that while acting in an official capacity, Bishop was not allowed to accept payment from pilots in exchange for his services. By Bishop's own account, he passed almost every pilot who flew with him on those occasions. Each pilot then became officially certificated by the FAA as a result of Bishop's work. The official charge against Bishop was one count of receiving illegal gratuities while acting as a public official. He now faces a maximum potential fine of $250,000 and up to two years in jail.
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I’m not sure if a DPE would get jail time, but this former ASI got some prison time.
https://www.nj.com/gloucester-county...pemberton.html
He must have had a pretty good thing going at McGuire AFB!
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07-25-2020 | 02:13 PM
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I wasn't talking about acmi. There is a 22 year old thats the youngest 777 FO at southern. I'm talking about getting on with the big 3. How many pilots go from private pilot to american or united or delta in less than ten years? 14 years in the military ten years to flow through roughly and probably more than ten years to climb the ladder on the civilian side.
07-25-2020 | 03:14 PM
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Did anyone notice he is an FAA employee?
https://www.federalpay.org/employees...hler-michael-a
FG-13
Michael A. Puehler is a FG-13 under the similar to the general schedule payscale.
Federal Employee Profile — Michael A. Puehler
FG-13
Michael A. Puehler
Title: Aviation Safety Personnel
Agency: Federal Aviation Administration
In 2018, Michael A. Puehler was an Aviation Safety Personnel at the Federal Aviation Administration in Clermontville, Ohio. began working at the Federal Aviation Administration in 2008 with a starting salary of $67,964. Since then, 's salary has increased to $106,970 in 2018.Michael A. Puehler is a FG-13 under the similar to the general schedule payscale.
07-25-2020 | 04:33 PM
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On another board, someone did some research and posted three others letters like this one from similar examples.
i work with many ex-ASIs and they told me some stories of similar circumstances too.
The FAA actually has some type of investigative branch. I don’t know how you would catch these DPEs unless it were some type of undercover ‘give me check ride and let’s make sure you are doing it right’ operation or some checked student pilot/upgrade pilot turns the DPE in if s/he even knows what is/is not a valid check.
I know of at least one ASI who was cooking the books.
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Teterboro-based aviation safety inspector Harrington Bishop, 63, entered a guilty plea in a federal court Thursday on charges of receiving illegal gratuities in exchange for what court documents allege were hundreds of unauthorized pilot check rides. Bishop had been assigned to the Teterboro FSDO. On available days off, weekends, and holidays, from May 2004 to February 2011, he allegedly took pilots on check rides at Cave Flight School at Flying W Airport in Medford, NJ. Pilots who flew with him on those occasions ultimately numbered in the hundreds. None of the flights were authorized, each one illegally paid Bishop, and in almost every case a certificate was granted to the tested pilot.
Pilots were allegedly tested for anything from private to airline transport pilot certificates. Bishop allegedly collected tips that amounted to $300 per flight on average from the hundreds of pilots he managed to fly with over seven years. This, in spite of the fact that while acting in an official capacity, Bishop was not allowed to accept payment from pilots in exchange for his services. By Bishop's own account, he passed almost every pilot who flew with him on those occasions. Each pilot then became officially certificated by the FAA as a result of Bishop's work. The official charge against Bishop was one count of receiving illegal gratuities while acting as a public official. He now faces a maximum potential fine of $250,000 and up to two years in jail.
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I’m not sure if a DPE would get jail time, but this former ASI got some prison time.
https://www.nj.com/gloucester-county...pemberton.html
He must have had a pretty good thing going at McGuire AFB!
i work with many ex-ASIs and they told me some stories of similar circumstances too.
The FAA actually has some type of investigative branch. I don’t know how you would catch these DPEs unless it were some type of undercover ‘give me check ride and let’s make sure you are doing it right’ operation or some checked student pilot/upgrade pilot turns the DPE in if s/he even knows what is/is not a valid check.
I know of at least one ASI who was cooking the books.
———-
Teterboro-based aviation safety inspector Harrington Bishop, 63, entered a guilty plea in a federal court Thursday on charges of receiving illegal gratuities in exchange for what court documents allege were hundreds of unauthorized pilot check rides. Bishop had been assigned to the Teterboro FSDO. On available days off, weekends, and holidays, from May 2004 to February 2011, he allegedly took pilots on check rides at Cave Flight School at Flying W Airport in Medford, NJ. Pilots who flew with him on those occasions ultimately numbered in the hundreds. None of the flights were authorized, each one illegally paid Bishop, and in almost every case a certificate was granted to the tested pilot.
Pilots were allegedly tested for anything from private to airline transport pilot certificates. Bishop allegedly collected tips that amounted to $300 per flight on average from the hundreds of pilots he managed to fly with over seven years. This, in spite of the fact that while acting in an official capacity, Bishop was not allowed to accept payment from pilots in exchange for his services. By Bishop's own account, he passed almost every pilot who flew with him on those occasions. Each pilot then became officially certificated by the FAA as a result of Bishop's work. The official charge against Bishop was one count of receiving illegal gratuities while acting as a public official. He now faces a maximum potential fine of $250,000 and up to two years in jail.
———
I’m not sure if a DPE would get jail time, but this former ASI got some prison time.
https://www.nj.com/gloucester-county...pemberton.html
He must have had a pretty good thing going at McGuire AFB!
07-25-2020 | 04:57 PM
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The news media called them tips.
As an ASI he wasn’t suppose to be giving checkrides out side of business and Feds don’t charge for checkrides.
This newest guy I thought at one time was an ASI, but was currently a DPE.
07-25-2020 | 05:53 PM
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Who is the ‘they love in this logic of “how did they” let this go on so long?
The ‘they’d’ are an unscrupulous DPE and all of the unscrupulous pilots who loved the fact they THEY got an easy/incomplete/or nonexistent checkride and still walked away with their new ticket.
The ‘they’d’ are an unscrupulous DPE and all of the unscrupulous pilots who loved the fact they THEY got an easy/incomplete/or nonexistent checkride and still walked away with their new ticket.
07-25-2020 | 06:15 PM
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this is quite the stretch to blame an examiner's negligence on the applicant, particularly with PPL candidates who have never even taken a checkride before. For nonexistent exams, sure, but what exactly do you think an applicant is supposed to do when they get an "easy" checkride? Where even is the bar for that? Nobody would ever tell a DPE to examine them again because that checkride was too easy. It isn't the applicant's job to determine how "easy" or "hard" an exam should be; that's the examiner's responsibility. Your claim assumes all of Puehler's applicants went to him because of his reputation, which, I find very hard to believe.
” let’s make sure you are doing it right’ operation or some checked student pilot/upgrade pilot turns the DPE in if s/he even knows what is/is not a valid check.”
But the ACS is drilled into an applicants head.
if you know there is air work to be done on the checkride, because your CFI has been preparing you for let’s say steep turns or stalls and then you do neither, wouldn’t you maybe make mention of it to your CFI afterwards?
07-25-2020 | 06:55 PM
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No......he was charging for the checkride (doing it on his off hours).
The news media called them tips.
As an ASI he wasn’t suppose to be giving checkrides out side of business and Feds don’t charge for checkrides.
This newest guy I thought at one time was an ASI, but was currently a DPE.
The news media called them tips.
As an ASI he wasn’t suppose to be giving checkrides out side of business and Feds don’t charge for checkrides.
This newest guy I thought at one time was an ASI, but was currently a DPE.
07-25-2020 | 09:26 PM
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So I guess the cost of this is the responsibility of each individual pilot. What about the people that maybe haven’t flown in years? The really sad part is the airlines will hold this against applicants because it looks bad on paper. Whenever they do hire years down the line from now they will have stacks of applicants who don’t have this on their record.
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