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TransWorld 12-08-2020 11:32 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3168252)

Now you are talking! But I like the open cockpit.

howdyclub 12-08-2020 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by terks43 (Post 3168222)
On point B, market it to my generation and the zoomers with pointing out the reduction in per seat fuel usage vs an RJ. That will 100% work with the younger generations. Older ones just do it with the price savings, however minimal, on the ticket.

Riding on a turboprop is like driving to the airport in a 1980 diesel VW Rabbit. Slow and noisy!

DarkSideMoon 12-09-2020 12:39 AM


Originally Posted by howdyclub (Post 3168461)
Riding on a turboprop is like driving to the airport in a 1980 diesel VW Rabbit. Slow and noisy!

Slow doesn't matter on short stage lengths, and noise can be fixed. The last turboprop I flew was probably on par with the CRJ for noise.

rickair7777 12-09-2020 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3168462)
Slow doesn't matter on short stage lengths, and noise can be fixed. The last turboprop I flew was probably on par with the CRJ for noise.

Yes. If a significant portion of the flight time is below 10K, or spent on an arrival/departure with published speeds the flight time difference gets negligible pretty quickly. New prop designs are quite fast by old standards, and can be quiet as well.

deadstick35 12-09-2020 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3168647)
Yes. If a significant portion of the flight time is below 10K, or spent on an arrival/departure with published speeds the flight time difference gets negligible pretty quickly. New prop designs are quite fast by old standards, and can be quiet as well.


I’d think anything below 400nm is better in a turboprop. In the terminal area, ATC loved turboprops because they could keep the speed up longer than jets because they bleed energy easier.

DarkSideMoon 12-09-2020 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by deadstick35 (Post 3168653)
I’d think anything below 400nm is better in a turboprop. In the terminal area, ATC loved turboprops because they could keep the speed up longer than jets because they bleed energy easier.

Plus they don't need to get up high to be efficient, so you can hang out in less congested airspace without eating up gas, and on shorter flights you don't waste time climbing. Flights like ORD-CVG or ORD-IND, in a CRJ you waste all this time climbing up at 290 to get a few extra knots and fuel efficiency just to come back down after 20 minutes of cruise flight. A turboprop could level off at 20, cruise a few knots slower, and still get there in roughly the same amount of time while using way less fuel.

alaskadrifter 12-09-2020 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3168127)
If it's cheaper, people will buy the ticket. They will make clever to them jokes about it as they board or will make disparaging remarks on facebook about having to ride on an "old prop". But the consumer has shown price point is really all they think about when booking a fight.

I tend to agree, plus if it has WiFi, craft coffee, and the whole “props are lofi cool, you wouldn’t understand” appeal Millennials might even pay moooore to fly on a prop ;).

Johnny Skyhawk 12-09-2020 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3168725)
Plus they don't need to get up high to be efficient, so you can hang out in less congested airspace without eating up gas, and on shorter flights you don't waste time climbing. Flights like ORD-CVG or ORD-IND, in a CRJ you waste all this time climbing up at 290 to get a few extra knots and fuel efficiency just to come back down after 20 minutes of cruise flight. A turboprop could level off at 20, cruise a few knots slower, and still get there in roughly the same amount of time while using way less fuel.

The new ATR 42 and 72 -600 have a modern glass cockpit, burn half the gas of a CRJ, and with the 6 blade prop they are quieter than a CRJ. You can get them with Enhanced Vision System and wi-if. Most US regionals have a route structure that would be well suited to the new ATR.

Since Airbus owns ATR, the 72-600 sim is located at the Airbus Center in Miami, the PFD/MFD/FMS, and systems are similar to what’s in an A320. ATR training is the Airbus method, which might make the transition to an Airbus a little easier when the opportunity to move up arrives.

jaxsurf 12-10-2020 04:55 AM

I think you’re all crazy; props SUCK as a passenger. Stay lower? It’s more bumpy. They’re loud (if it’s not the outright noise, it’s the drone from the props being out of sync). They smell (you don’t get that gas smell in a jet). They’re small (having little to no overhead storage is one of the greatest sins for pax). They’re dumpy (in a pax mind, jet = sleek, modern, safe. Prop = old, slow, unsafe).

I lived for several years in an area that was only served by props, and I hated it. I would routinely drive 2.5 hours or 3.5 hours to the two closest larger airports so that I didn’t have to ride on a piece of crap prop.

You may be nostalgic for props or like them for whatever other reason, but most pax HATE them.

ElCaribe 12-10-2020 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by jaxsurf (Post 3168959)
I think you’re all crazy; props SUCK as a passenger. Stay lower? It’s more bumpy. They’re loud (if it’s not the outright noise, it’s the drone from the props being out of sync). They smell (you don’t get that gas smell in a jet). They’re small (having little to no overhead storage is one of the greatest sins for pax). They’re dumpy (in a pax mind, jet = sleek, modern, safe. Prop = old, slow, unsafe).

I lived for several years in an area that was only served by props, and I hated it. I would routinely drive 2.5 hours or 3.5 hours to the two closest larger airports so that I didn’t have to ride on a piece of crap prop.

You may be nostalgic for props or like them for whatever other reason, but most pax HATE them.

You completely missed what people on here are saying. Technology has changed since the days of the Brasília and the Slaab. You can make a larger cabin prop with new noise reduction technology and an APU.


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