Prop Jobs Coming Back?
11-24-2020, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
We'll see what kind of carbon mandates we get going forward. If the left can lay off the socialism and anarchy platforms, I'm pretty sure they can advance significant climate policies in the foreseeable future. Even the right wing is starting to get on board, it's coming.
Turboprops will only make a small dent of course but they're something the industry can hold up and say "look what we're doing"! Especially if they get some hybrid options on the market, which might be barely technically feasible for short-haul regional ops (energy density numbers don't even remotely work for longer/larger ops).
Turboprops will only make a small dent of course but they're something the industry can hold up and say "look what we're doing"! Especially if they get some hybrid options on the market, which might be barely technically feasible for short-haul regional ops (energy density numbers don't even remotely work for longer/larger ops).
while this nebulous term is defined, if they don't do anything pro-environment, who holds "the industry" accountable?
nobody. nobody cares. the only thing airlines care about is bodies in seats and making money. Joe Traveler could give 2 sh**ts about if his airplane is carbon free. He wants his $29 ticket.
carbon mandates and green energy have been the talk of politicians worldwide, for years. Put "green energy" up there with "inflation" and "employment numbers" as hot topics. Left and right both:
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archi...an-energy.html
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archiv...ing-substances
Props exist because they are economical for the mission planned.
11-24-2020, 07:21 AM
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The "industry" in this context is not unions lol.
It is airlines and airframe manufacturers, plus all supporting business infrastructure. In other words the people who don't want onerous, heavy-handed, and ill-conceived climate regulations and taxes interfering with their operations and revenue. IATA and A4A are the avatars of the "industry" as we know it.
They have all realized that they are going to have to get their own house in order or someone like AOC is going to do it for them, and they're not going to like that.
For a long time the industry kicked the can in the interest of short-term market performance, while making some green gestures in markets where the public might care a little (ie not DFW).
Public and political sentiment is changing, and they have to react. Especially now that the US will be getting back on the carbon wagon, maybe in spades.
It is airlines and airframe manufacturers, plus all supporting business infrastructure. In other words the people who don't want onerous, heavy-handed, and ill-conceived climate regulations and taxes interfering with their operations and revenue. IATA and A4A are the avatars of the "industry" as we know it.
They have all realized that they are going to have to get their own house in order or someone like AOC is going to do it for them, and they're not going to like that.
For a long time the industry kicked the can in the interest of short-term market performance, while making some green gestures in markets where the public might care a little (ie not DFW).
Public and political sentiment is changing, and they have to react. Especially now that the US will be getting back on the carbon wagon, maybe in spades.
Originally Posted by senecacaptain
who is "the industry" ? CEOs ? Unions?
while this nebulous term is defined, if they don't do anything pro-environment, who holds "the industry" accountable?
nobody. nobody cares. the only thing airlines care about is bodies in seats and making money. Joe Traveler could give 2 sh**ts about if his airplane is carbon free. He wants his $29 ticket.
carbon mandates and green energy have been the talk of politicians worldwide, for years. Put "green energy" up there with "inflation" and "employment numbers" as hot topics. Left and right both:
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archi...an-energy.html
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archiv...ing-substances
Props exist because they are economical for the mission planned.
while this nebulous term is defined, if they don't do anything pro-environment, who holds "the industry" accountable?
nobody. nobody cares. the only thing airlines care about is bodies in seats and making money. Joe Traveler could give 2 sh**ts about if his airplane is carbon free. He wants his $29 ticket.
carbon mandates and green energy have been the talk of politicians worldwide, for years. Put "green energy" up there with "inflation" and "employment numbers" as hot topics. Left and right both:
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archi...an-energy.html
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archiv...ing-substances
Props exist because they are economical for the mission planned.
11-24-2020, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain
who is "the industry" ? CEOs ? Unions?
while this nebulous term is defined, if they don't do anything pro-environment, who holds "the industry" accountable?
nobody. nobody cares. the only thing airlines care about is bodies in seats and making money. Joe Traveler could give 2 sh**ts about if his airplane is carbon free. He wants his $29 ticket.
carbon mandates and green energy have been the talk of politicians worldwide, for years. Put "green energy" up there with "inflation" and "employment numbers" as hot topics. Left and right both:
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archi...an-energy.html
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archiv...ing-substances
Props exist because they are economical for the mission planned.
while this nebulous term is defined, if they don't do anything pro-environment, who holds "the industry" accountable?
nobody. nobody cares. the only thing airlines care about is bodies in seats and making money. Joe Traveler could give 2 sh**ts about if his airplane is carbon free. He wants his $29 ticket.
carbon mandates and green energy have been the talk of politicians worldwide, for years. Put "green energy" up there with "inflation" and "employment numbers" as hot topics. Left and right both:
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archi...an-energy.html
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archiv...ing-substances
Props exist because they are economical for the mission planned.
11-24-2020, 07:39 AM
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Is there really that much fear out there in the flying public of turbo props?
Like do we have actual concrete examples that the vast majority of the public thinks props are dangerous?
Make it as comfortable inside as the new Embraers and I don’t think anyone will care.
Heck I think flying on a Q400 is a vastly more comfortable experience than a CRJ.
Like do we have actual concrete examples that the vast majority of the public thinks props are dangerous?
Make it as comfortable inside as the new Embraers and I don’t think anyone will care.
Heck I think flying on a Q400 is a vastly more comfortable experience than a CRJ.
11-24-2020, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
If it's gotta a better APU than the CRJ, better anti-ice than a CRJ, and climbs higher than FL250 (limit of the Q400), preferably to at least FL320, and wider seats than a CRJ, I really don't know how I could hate it. Hopefully they keep the window in the Lav.
11-24-2020, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
We'll see what kind of carbon mandates we get going forward. If the left can lay off the socialism and anarchy platforms, I'm pretty sure they can advance significant climate policies in the foreseeable future. Even the right wing is starting to get on board, it's coming.
11-24-2020, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by kaputt
Is there really that much fear out there in the flying public of turbo props?
Like do we have actual concrete examples that the vast majority of the public thinks props are dangerous?
Like do we have actual concrete examples that the vast majority of the public thinks props are dangerous?
Lots of anecdotal evidence. A bunch of hearsay. Something on the Internet. You can point to an episode in the past where a hard stance was taken for a second, and then pulled back (the Q400 at United, ACA mandate to have health insurance).
In the end, though, it's hard to say for sure.
11-24-2020, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by firefighterplt
Problem is that the public equates a turbofan with safety, and spinny things as dangerous.
Don’t ask me why, because I don’t understand it...
Don’t ask me why, because I don’t understand it...
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