Greetings all,
Question about Airline ground school, If you flunk the systems class are you in trouble landing another job? some say failing systems is not a big of a deal, but the Sim or IOE is a big problem.... and if you do (systems) do you mention that to your hopefully new employer? ANY INPUTS, COMMENTS, HELP THE BROTHER OUT!!
Thanx.

 

Personally, I'd think any of the 3 would be an issue. You were technically employed there for a short time so you'll have to list it on a job app. If you are low time, go and fly some more...CFI, banners, etc. Do something to improve your skills, both mental and stick wise. You will have to explain it someday when you get another shot. Keep your head up, be persistent, and press on. What's your background/stats?

 

Not a "pro" by all means, but...
IF you get invited to another interview, you best tell you failed. They WILL look at your records (thanks Clinton, and AMR) Flame on!!
However, I would TEND to believe systems would be a worse thing than SIM or OE. Hate to sound like "Simon", but that's my opinion. You can't pass systems, and if the new company flys the same equipment.. Or even if they don't, systems seem to be similar (in a way).
Just my way of thinking. But, it is by far NOT the end of the world.

 

Thanx for the responce, I am a CFI with over 1200/200, was told by that out fit that I was never employed till passing Sim, this was as all an invitation to attend ground school with per diem pay and a possible job offer assuming you pass ground school. I appreciate the kind words, I have 3-interviews coming and just needed to clear my anxiety level a bit.

 

Thanx again for your responce as well.
Will my records be PRIA? I agree with you and in general if you can't pass systems you can go far in training. My situation was a bit different at the time. Learned alot from it. by all means I appreciate the positive words.

 

I'm not aware of any airline that has separate training records for Sim, Ground School, IOE, etc.....

All the parts and pieces are part of an FAA approved training syllabus and ALL of which must be successfully completed to satisfy the airline's crew qualification requirements. If you come up short in any of the phases, you've failed an airline training syllabus.

While this may not be disqualifying for future opportunities - you'll have some explaining to do.

 

I work with several guys instructing that have washed out of ground school for various reasons. 2 at express jet, on at mesa and one at tsa. The one at mesa washed out 8 months ago on the dash 8 and has interviewed or talked to most all of the other regionals and they have turned him down for just that reason. eagle, comair, asa and skywest and others said things to the effect that they dont hire any washouts. The other guys have had simular experiances, and these airlines are hiring guys far less qualified otherwise. Maybe any people on here who havent made it through a 121ground school can say what they did, id like to know.

Im not saying none of them will hire you if you dont make it through training, but it looks like it can throw a serious monkey wrench in you career if you dont pass.

I think its a very important thing is to choose an airline with a good training department.

 

I guess it is what it is, and coming out clean is the best way to go with plenty of explaining to do.
Thanx for the inputs...

 

First off, be honest, or you really will be hosed for good.

As far as any airline or the government is concerned, if you attended training, you were employed (pay has nothing to do with it). You will almost certainly have a failure record on the PRIA paperwork.

Personally, I would be more concerned with a groundschool failure than with a sim failure...bad things can happen to good people in sim, not often, but sometimes. There are many variables beyond your control (instructor, partner, schedule, etc), plus if you go from CFI to jet it's a steep curve. Ground school is usually cut-and-dried though. A lot of work, but you usually know the answers to the tests in advance, you just have to learn them. I would suspect that a GS failure was due to lack of effort or concentration.

You need to accept responsibility, analyze the situation and figure out WHY you failed. Then be prepared to explain it, and also explain what you have or will do differently. If you had serious outside distractions (family, illness, relationship) that might be a good mitigating factor but hopefully you have resolved whatever the issue was.

If it was simply lack of effort, you can probably say the failure was a major wakeup call/attitude adjustment and they'll believe you. I'd probably hire you under those circumstances...compared to some CFI's you already know what to expect. Good Luck.

 

So sad if I don't make it for this reason, althoug I do have a great reason for not making it then. I agree with you %100 on chossing a quality Airline with good training department.