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Originally Posted by TransWorld
(Post 3301814)
Often the simplest, easiest solution is not the solution that solves the real problem. But it is fast and easy.
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Originally Posted by Slow2Final
(Post 3302057)
I just keep wondering how effective it'll even be in the short term.
Funny thing that almost everyone seems to agree on - if they would have cranked up the flow they probably could have kept everyone from bailing without throwing money out at us AND had a line out the door of people that would flow in ~5 years instead of 10 :huge shrug: but hey what the f^&* do we know... |
Originally Posted by JayBee
(Post 3302232)
From the anecdotal evidence I've gathered from talking to people with more/less seniority than I - everyone is bailing out as fast as possible.
Funny thing that almost everyone seems to agree on - if they would have cranked up the flow they probably could have kept everyone from bailing without throwing money out at us AND had a line out the door of people that would flow in ~5 years instead of 10 :huge shrug: but hey what the f^&* do we know... |
I'm near atp mins and I 100% want to go to an AA WO.
Having a hard time choosing between the three. Can someone give me the pros and cons of each? And which one has the slowest flow, and fastest flow? |
Flow speed is 1) not a reasonable metric to pick 2) not reasonably forseeable now anyway
look at flow as career insurance. You have a backstop against being a regional lifer but it is NOT plan A |
Originally Posted by ZeroTT
(Post 3305736)
Flow speed is 1) not a reasonable metric to pick 2) not reasonably forseeable now anyway
look at flow as career insurance. You have a backstop against being a regional lifer but it is NOT plan A Most people forget the other benefit. At airlines with a flow, there is "guaranteed" attrition at the top to keep the list moving. You know that you will always be working yourself towards a captains seat (as long as something like COVID doesn't stop all hiring again). Some airlines see most of their attrition from the middle or bottom of the list. With a flow, you know that there will always be at least a good percentage of movement off of the top of the list. |
All regionals going forward are going to have attrition higher than any flow and with practically the same “guarantee”. Flows don’t work if mainline ain’t hiring.
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Originally Posted by RandomPilotDude
(Post 3305734)
I'm near atp mins and I 100% want to go to an AA WO.
Having a hard time choosing between the three. Can someone give me the pros and cons of each? And which one has the slowest flow, and fastest flow? Second, assuming you have a choice, pick the one that lets you live in base, or has a base you're willing to move to and not resent it. There are LOTS of reasons to go to a WO apart from flow, first being the money they seem to want to throw at us, second being the non rev benefits, which will be far and away better that a SKW or RAH assuming you're traveling in the AA system. Loads still suck, but hey, that's revenue. More than ever, flow rate for new hires shouldn't even be in the top 5 factors of consideration, because there is SO MUCH happening right now between mainline hiring and COVID shenanigan's. Not only that, but the topic of which LCC my FO should bail to comes up with pretty much every FO I fly with. |
Originally Posted by TallFlyer
(Post 3306911)
First, more than one has to give you a job offer before you have a choice.
There are LOTS of reasons to go to a WO apart from flow, first being the money they seem to want to throw at us, second being the non rev benefits, which will be far and away better that a SKW or RAH assuming you're traveling in the AA system. Loads still suck, but hey, that's revenue. |
Originally Posted by Macchi30
(Post 3306913)
could you explain this in more detail please? I understand that a WO pilot is considered the same as a mainline pilot when it comes to standby travel and that its check in based not senority. But what does that mean for a Republic pilot who wants to fly standby on AA. where does he fall in?
Even with the best travel benefits (which the AA WO have), it is very difficult to non-rev right now. Commuting is terrible. But trying to commute off-line is unbearable. I have seen pilots list for 5-6 fights between hubs and still not get a seat. They spend all day trying to commute and still not get on. |
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