Regional airlines want to axe 1500 hour rule
#141
1500 hours isn’t a arbitrary number, that was always required for the ATP. The difference was now that all operating crew members of a Part 121 flight must now hold a ATP and a PIC type-rating in the aircraft. Not a just a commercial ticket for those not operating in a non-PIC role.
The "1500 hour" rule actually added some exceptions to the old ATP rules (ie R-ATP).
So maybe the discussion should be how low can we go with R-ATP exceptions and under what circumstances? Unless anybody really thinks a 200 hour CPL from a 141 flight school really belongs in a passenger jet?
#142
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The problem with the whole ATP rule is, that it assumes Riddle grads are somehow more qualified with their R-ATPs than pilots with 135 IFR experience, where the opposite is true. It was just a great lobbying effort from the flight school industry.
There should be credit for 135 operation. It makes the 121 transition easy.
There should be credit for 135 operation. It makes the 121 transition easy.
#143
Yes, we've kind of been having a circular argument about why an ATP is required to crew Air Transport operations.
The "1500 hour" rule actually added some exceptions to the old ATP rules (ie R-ATP).
So maybe the discussion should be how low can we go with R-ATP exceptions and under what circumstances? Unless anybody really thinks a 200 hour CPL from a 141 flight school really belongs in a passenger jet?
The "1500 hour" rule actually added some exceptions to the old ATP rules (ie R-ATP).
So maybe the discussion should be how low can we go with R-ATP exceptions and under what circumstances? Unless anybody really thinks a 200 hour CPL from a 141 flight school really belongs in a passenger jet?
#144
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Essential is going to throw a hussy fit when I say this:
There is no substitute for experience.
No doubt you improved, we all did.
My gripe is with the time number which in itself is meaningless of you don’t require experience as the two are not equal.
Complexity makes a better pilot,
Not flying the same hour a hundred times over.
As long as there is no experience complexity requirement the 1500 is meaningless and nothing but a feel good.
TSA looking for water bottles.
There is no substitute for experience.
No doubt you improved, we all did.
My gripe is with the time number which in itself is meaningless of you don’t require experience as the two are not equal.
Complexity makes a better pilot,
Not flying the same hour a hundred times over.
As long as there is no experience complexity requirement the 1500 is meaningless and nothing but a feel good.
TSA looking for water bottles.
#145
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I will ask this and I’ll preface it by saying this is coming from someone who’s not a pilot. What’s the idea in having the R-ATP for 1000 and 1200 hour guys? I can see it for military guys as those people get the best training under the most severe scenarios. However, what’s the difference in someone going to say Liberty University and getting a degree in aviation and only needing 1000 hours compared to someone who goes to basket weaving U and then getting top notch training from a former fighter pilot as his CFI as compared to some young kid from Riddle just trying to get his hours and get out? For this reason alone I’m looking at Liberty University to save 500 hours needed.
Amazing lobbying.
#147
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Cause, you know, life is known for being fair.
#149
I will ask this and I’ll preface it by saying this is coming from someone who’s not a pilot. What’s the idea in having the R-ATP for 1000 and 1200 hour guys? I can see it for military guys as those people get the best training under the most severe scenarios. However, what’s the difference in someone going to say Liberty University and getting a degree in aviation and only needing 1000 hours compared to someone who goes to basket weaving U and then getting top notch training from a former fighter pilot as his CFI as compared to some young kid from Riddle just trying to get his hours and get out? For this reason alone I’m looking at Liberty University to save 500 hours needed.
#150
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If anyone should be crying about hours requirements it should be the small mom and pops charter companies.
They need a 1200 hour pilot to fly their pax in IFR.
By the time someone has built 1200 hours, they might as well just keep doing what they’re doing to get 300 more.
Not to mention, we were just discussing if 1500 hours is safe for someone to be an airline pilot.
In the 135 world you might be flying old, piston airplanes with limited capabilities. No extra engine to rely on. You’re MUCH more likely to have a mechanical emergency. You don’t have a dispatcher or ground crew for support. You don’t have a cabin crew or copilot for support. In the regional world you’ll fly the same approaches all the time. In 135 you’re likely going somewhere new most days. As the pilot shortage continues I don’t think many small scale 135’s will stay in business.
They need a 1200 hour pilot to fly their pax in IFR.
By the time someone has built 1200 hours, they might as well just keep doing what they’re doing to get 300 more.
Not to mention, we were just discussing if 1500 hours is safe for someone to be an airline pilot.
In the 135 world you might be flying old, piston airplanes with limited capabilities. No extra engine to rely on. You’re MUCH more likely to have a mechanical emergency. You don’t have a dispatcher or ground crew for support. You don’t have a cabin crew or copilot for support. In the regional world you’ll fly the same approaches all the time. In 135 you’re likely going somewhere new most days. As the pilot shortage continues I don’t think many small scale 135’s will stay in business.
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