Originally Posted by wingtipwalker

I don't disagree with that. Perhaps in a theoretical FAA-MPL scenario you would have to get 1000 hours 121 time once your MPL converts to an ATP (at 1500 hours, so 2500 TT)

I am with the Chief above that the quality of the 1500 hours that some people get varies wildly. Teaching to 1500 hours at a Part 61 school in rural Ohio is not the same as teaching at a busy 141 school under the Bravo in Phoenix. And let's not even touch the fact that a lot of people are fine pilots, but terrible teachers. Making everybody be a CFI probably hurts quality of instruction overall. In my experience all CFI's get this blank soul-crushed hopeless stare in the 1000-1500 hour range. That's not good either.

The 1500 is so arbitrary. If 1500 is good, wouldn't 3000 be better? Or is 1500 twice as "safe" as 750? Or what is a Riddle kid learning in their 141 program that makes them eligible to get an R-ATP after 1000 hours that a non-university 141 graduate doesn't get? Is the FAA-Approved 141 syllabus at the non-university materially inferior to the FAA-Approved 141 syllabus at Riddle?

I am certain that you can consistently train a ~300 hour MPL pilot that can perform at or above the level of a 1500 hour CFI. Japan Airlines does it. Etihad and Emirates do it. Those airlines are not deathtraps.

As a pilot who now has run the 1500 hour rule gauntlet, there are plenty of selfish reasons to keep it in place. But I don't think it actually makes anybody safer.

Originally Posted by TiredSoul

1. I’d suggest you go back and read the entire thread again and what I’ve posted.

2. You’ve been insinuating that even a properly trained pilot is unsafe because they haven’t reached an arbitrary number.
They’re not the only pilot in the cockpit and out of the two of them our hero is NOT the PIC and they won’t be for at least another 1000hrs in airline operations.

I became a Chief Flight Instructor around 2500hrs dual given. What did you do?
You were still looking to share time building a year ago lol….

Originally Posted by IamEssential

P.S. Ever want to know how you can tell when someone thinks they are losing an argument on APC? They start to look at your post history lol

Originally Posted by TiredSoul

It’s there for review to better understand who you’re dealing with.
I was adding to my previous post when you jumped the gun again Mr Essential.
You sure you logged all the safety pilot time correctly?

Originally Posted by IamEssential

Why 1500 and not 3000? As I said before 1500 was picked because it gives the person an additional 1 to 2 years flying experience before flying Part 121.

Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad

I believe the 1500 hour was picked because that was the hours required for an ATP prior to the new rule.
Nothing more nothing less…

Originally Posted by Tjeff

Tiredsoul you should read my post on the last page I don’t know if you missed it or not. I agree there are ways to make it better by having more specific requirements. My point was 1500 hours doesn’t make everyone more experienced or safer entering the 121 world but if it does for some, isn’t that at least a start? I agree 1500 is arbitrary and should be revisited but it doesn’t mean that a lot of us didn’t improve vastly from the 250 hour mark I know I did which allowed me to be a safe and confident 121 captain.

Originally Posted by Tjeff

Tiredsoul you should read my post on the last page I don’t know if you missed it or not. I agree there are ways to make it better by having more specific requirements. My point was 1500 hours doesn’t make everyone more experienced or safer entering the 121 world but if it does for some, isn’t that at least a start? I agree 1500 is arbitrary and should be revisited but it doesn’t mean that a lot of us didn’t improve vastly from the 250 hour mark I know I did which allowed me to be a safe and confident 121 captain.