SKW SAPA President
06-14-2007, 03:13 PM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: SKYW CRJ FO
Posts: 467
I can't believe this guy just came out and said what he said. He must either be leaving or has no fear of losing his job.
I was thinking what appears the majority of others are thinking, and that is to send in the card now. I still can't believe this guy just came out and said that!!!
With my personal experience with ALPA, I hope all of you hardcore ALPA guys don't think that SkyWest is going to get better once ALPA gets on property. I personally feel it is going to get much worse. The tension between management and the pilot group will make this a miserable place to be and no one will look forward to flying or going to work anymore. Yes, we will have lawyers on our side if something goes wrong, but that is it. They will still mess with the contract like TSA and Mesa does, and grievances won't be settled any sooner than they are now. With that being said, I guess I am happy that I will have access to a lawyer in the event that something goes wrong. However, I know I am not looking forward to what is about to happen when ALPA gets voted in.
I was thinking what appears the majority of others are thinking, and that is to send in the card now. I still can't believe this guy just came out and said that!!!
With my personal experience with ALPA, I hope all of you hardcore ALPA guys don't think that SkyWest is going to get better once ALPA gets on property. I personally feel it is going to get much worse. The tension between management and the pilot group will make this a miserable place to be and no one will look forward to flying or going to work anymore. Yes, we will have lawyers on our side if something goes wrong, but that is it. They will still mess with the contract like TSA and Mesa does, and grievances won't be settled any sooner than they are now. With that being said, I guess I am happy that I will have access to a lawyer in the event that something goes wrong. However, I know I am not looking forward to what is about to happen when ALPA gets voted in.
06-14-2007, 05:43 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Jul 2005
Position: EMB120 CA
Posts: 299
Originally Posted by JetJock16
Remember that SAPA's loyalty is to Mgmnt, history has made that painfully obvious.
06-14-2007, 06:00 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,803
Nothing I wanted to hear...
Why fix something that isn't broken?? The biggest difference between SKW and the Mesa/TSA's out there is that everybody, down to the Janitor loves coming to work...I've had enough of that third-party tension with Mgmt - it only breeds distrust and I want NOTHING to do with it. SKW mgmt knows they have to stay competitive (from an HR perspective) to stay in the top-tier of Regionals...and they have every intention of keeping it that way.
It doesn't bother me that SAPA my be influenced by Mgmt. We take care of them by doing our Jobs the best we can, and they take care of us.
Enough of this ALPA-business...if things ever go sour with Mgmt, they've got my vote, but until then I'd rather keep it a Family Airline.
Why fix something that isn't broken?? The biggest difference between SKW and the Mesa/TSA's out there is that everybody, down to the Janitor loves coming to work...I've had enough of that third-party tension with Mgmt - it only breeds distrust and I want NOTHING to do with it. SKW mgmt knows they have to stay competitive (from an HR perspective) to stay in the top-tier of Regionals...and they have every intention of keeping it that way.
It doesn't bother me that SAPA my be influenced by Mgmt. We take care of them by doing our Jobs the best we can, and they take care of us.
Enough of this ALPA-business...if things ever go sour with Mgmt, they've got my vote, but until then I'd rather keep it a Family Airline.
06-14-2007, 06:31 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: Part 121, 135 & Military background
Posts: 379
I can't believe that not one of you guys (who all seem to be Skywest pilots) have not even mention, dare I say thought of the moral implication. Some Skywest pilots have said "the threat of a union is better than a union", now I realize that is not the feelings of everyone of you guys/gals, but it would appear to be in this string.
THE THREAT OF A UNION IS NOT FREE!!!!! Someone is paying for that threat. Someone is paying dues to form negotiating committees that push for years for a better contract. When the Comair guys went on strike, they made it better for all of us. When JA came to ASA and said we had to take a 13% pay cut, we held our ground and now Skywest gets an over ride for 70 seat flying. Every time JA has thrown you guys a bone, it is not out of the kindness of his heart, but rather keeping up with what other pilot groups have fought for. The Unions bring up the bar for all airlines.
I wish I worked in an industry that unions were not necessary, but I don't. Look at the ridiculous pay outs the exec's are taking at United and Northwest. I hope if you get the chance you will read "Flying the Line" and at least when you vote, you can do so from a position of knowledge.
I'm not looking to debate you guys, but rather hope that this thought of who is paying for your threat will at least be considered as you turn in your cards.
Stick
CR7 Cap, ASA
THE THREAT OF A UNION IS NOT FREE!!!!! Someone is paying for that threat. Someone is paying dues to form negotiating committees that push for years for a better contract. When the Comair guys went on strike, they made it better for all of us. When JA came to ASA and said we had to take a 13% pay cut, we held our ground and now Skywest gets an over ride for 70 seat flying. Every time JA has thrown you guys a bone, it is not out of the kindness of his heart, but rather keeping up with what other pilot groups have fought for. The Unions bring up the bar for all airlines.
I wish I worked in an industry that unions were not necessary, but I don't. Look at the ridiculous pay outs the exec's are taking at United and Northwest. I hope if you get the chance you will read "Flying the Line" and at least when you vote, you can do so from a position of knowledge.
I'm not looking to debate you guys, but rather hope that this thought of who is paying for your threat will at least be considered as you turn in your cards.
Stick
CR7 Cap, ASA
06-14-2007, 06:40 PM
#20
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by Koolaidman
I can't believe this guy just came out and said what he said. He must either be leaving or has no fear of losing his job.
I was thinking what appears the majority of others are thinking, and that is to send in the card now. I still can't believe this guy just came out and said that!!!
With my personal experience with ALPA, I hope all of you hardcore ALPA guys don't think that SkyWest is going to get better once ALPA gets on property. I personally feel it is going to get much worse. The tension between management and the pilot group will make this a miserable place to be and no one will look forward to flying or going to work anymore. Yes, we will have lawyers on our side if something goes wrong, but that is it. They will still mess with the contract like TSA and Mesa does, and grievances won't be settled any sooner than they are now. With that being said, I guess I am happy that I will have access to a lawyer in the event that something goes wrong. However, I know I am not looking forward to what is about to happen when ALPA gets voted in.
I was thinking what appears the majority of others are thinking, and that is to send in the card now. I still can't believe this guy just came out and said that!!!
With my personal experience with ALPA, I hope all of you hardcore ALPA guys don't think that SkyWest is going to get better once ALPA gets on property. I personally feel it is going to get much worse. The tension between management and the pilot group will make this a miserable place to be and no one will look forward to flying or going to work anymore. Yes, we will have lawyers on our side if something goes wrong, but that is it. They will still mess with the contract like TSA and Mesa does, and grievances won't be settled any sooner than they are now. With that being said, I guess I am happy that I will have access to a lawyer in the event that something goes wrong. However, I know I am not looking forward to what is about to happen when ALPA gets voted in.
Exactly. Word on the street is he's headed to Alaska. Nothing to lose sending out an email like that.
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