Asa
#72
Youll get the 200 most def. Only 2 out of 18 got the atr last class and classes prior are even getting the 700.
Isnt there a contract somewhere that asa is gauranteed 80% of the delta flying in atl? Hence why we are getting the planes that we are?
Isnt there a contract somewhere that asa is gauranteed 80% of the delta flying in atl? Hence why we are getting the planes that we are?
#73
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From: Part 121, 135 & Military background
Don’t lecture me; I’m not some young slick haired punk pilot. One day we’ll be unionized and we’ll merge, until then show some leadership and reframe from name calling. You’re sinking to the same level of stupidity and ignorance as those slick haired punk pilot’s are at. You know the ones, all air carriers have them.
How many times must I tell you my card is in! I support and back all ALPA carriers and I try to educate every pilot I come across. But remember, there are A-Holes at every carrier. My CA and I denied the jump to an ASA pilot the other day. He wanted to jump our flight down to ATL but the gate agent was very busy and told him politely he would have to wait. Apparently he thought he had waited long enough and decided to take his frustrations out on her. Telling her how SKW is screwing all ASA pilots and that she’s no different form her cocky pilots. My CA and I were standing less than 15’ away awaiting the arrival of our a/c when we over heard the argument. We gladly entered the conversation to take the pressure off of her and enjoyed denying him the jump, it didn’t matter that he was ASA or anyone else for that matter. He was denied because there’s a time and a place for everything and that was neither. Gate agents have the worst job in the biz so we as pilots should show a little more appreciation and respect.
You seem to forget that every airline has cracks and those cracks are what everyone sees. Understand that the majority of us at SKW really care; we’re not all Slaphappy’s. I can go on and on but I won’t, I’m just sick of all of you calling us what we're not.
So, Blah Blah Blah Blah BLAH! Wake up!
How many times must I tell you my card is in! I support and back all ALPA carriers and I try to educate every pilot I come across. But remember, there are A-Holes at every carrier. My CA and I denied the jump to an ASA pilot the other day. He wanted to jump our flight down to ATL but the gate agent was very busy and told him politely he would have to wait. Apparently he thought he had waited long enough and decided to take his frustrations out on her. Telling her how SKW is screwing all ASA pilots and that she’s no different form her cocky pilots. My CA and I were standing less than 15’ away awaiting the arrival of our a/c when we over heard the argument. We gladly entered the conversation to take the pressure off of her and enjoyed denying him the jump, it didn’t matter that he was ASA or anyone else for that matter. He was denied because there’s a time and a place for everything and that was neither. Gate agents have the worst job in the biz so we as pilots should show a little more appreciation and respect.
You seem to forget that every airline has cracks and those cracks are what everyone sees. Understand that the majority of us at SKW really care; we’re not all Slaphappy’s. I can go on and on but I won’t, I’m just sick of all of you calling us what we're not.
So, Blah Blah Blah Blah BLAH! Wake up!
I'll lecture any time I choose when you make jack ass rants and I could not care less what you are sick of hearing. Don't want to hear it? Then lecture your slick hairs, not me.
I applaud you voting yes, and even support your decision to denie the JSif it was as bad as you say.
I will say this in defense of the ASA pilot that you dealt with, If you were in our shoes and you'd had 3 bases yanked out from underneath you by Delta/ JA and you saw the way JA treats your company and in turns craps on ours, your nerves might be just a little frazzled as well. Just think about it.
I had a Skywest Jump seater the the other day. Snot nose FO who walked in the cockpit and TOLD me "I'm riding here or in the back, I'm not sure yet" Then he wanted to put a huge chart case in the cockpit. I told him if he rode up front that would be fine, but if he was going in the back, to take it with him. He sat in 1B. He told the FA that "he had to sit there, just in case" because he was a jumpseater. He again came to the cockpit and said, "I'm sitting in back but I'm going to leave my bag here"
I told him no, and he said he was sitting in the bulkhead and had no place to put it. I told him to check it like every other pilot does. The FA offered another seat, he declined "I have to sit here just in case". What a chode. Then I find out that he is asking people to move their feet so he can put his bag under their seat!!!! I sware I can't make this up!! I called him to the cockpit and in no uncertain terms, told him check your bag or get off, he was delaying my flight. I found out later that he took out his charts and collapsed the case and put stuff in 3 overhead bins. On top of this he spent the whole flight "explaining" the plane to the guy next to him and dogging ASA with comments like "we own them and they better shape up or we will take all their planes"
Just for a moment if you were in my seat, how would that have gone over with you? But guess what? He still went. Politics with the jumpseat is a NO GO. I wanted to not denie, but grab this little b%@!h of a man by the ear and throw him on the ramp. But, he went. Again, no politics with the jumpseat.
I spent 7 years in the Army as a Blackhawk pilot and have been at ASA for 10 years, I will lecture you anytime I want. I've earned it.
Stick
#74
I'll lecture any time I choose when you make jack ass rants and I could not care less what you are sick of hearing. Don't want to hear it? Then lecture your slick hairs, not me.
I applaud you voting yes, and even support your decision to denie the JSif it was as bad as you say.
I will say this in defense of the ASA pilot that you dealt with, If you were in our shoes and you'd had 3 bases yanked out from underneath you by Delta/ JA and you saw the way JA treats your company and in turns craps on ours, your nerves might be just a little frazzled as well. Just think about it.
I had a Skywest Jump seater the the other day. Snot nose FO who walked in the cockpit and TOLD me "I'm riding here or in the back, I'm not sure yet" Then he wanted to put a huge chart case in the cockpit. I told him if he rode up front that would be fine, but if he was going in the back, to take it with him. He sat in 1B. He told the FA that "he had to sit there, just in case" because he was a jumpseater. He again came to the cockpit and said, "I'm sitting in back but I'm going to leave my bag here"
I told him no, and he said he was sitting in the bulkhead and had no place to put it. I told him to check it like every other pilot does. The FA offered another seat, he declined "I have to sit here just in case". What a chode. Then I find out that he is asking people to move their feet so he can put his bag under their seat!!!! I sware I can't make this up!! I called him to the cockpit and in no uncertain terms, told him check your bag or get off, he was delaying my flight. I found out later that he took out his charts and collapsed the case and put stuff in 3 overhead bins. On top of this he spent the whole flight "explaining" the plane to the guy next to him and dogging ASA with comments like "we own them and they better shape up or we will take all their planes"
Just for a moment if you were in my seat, how would that have gone over with you? But guess what? He still went. Politics with the jumpseat is a NO GO. I wanted to not denie, but grab this little b%@!h of a man by the ear and throw him on the ramp. But, he went. Again, no politics with the jumpseat.
I spent 7 years in the Army as a Blackhawk pilot and have been at ASA for 10 years, I will lecture you anytime I want. I've earned it.
Stick
I applaud you voting yes, and even support your decision to denie the JSif it was as bad as you say.
I will say this in defense of the ASA pilot that you dealt with, If you were in our shoes and you'd had 3 bases yanked out from underneath you by Delta/ JA and you saw the way JA treats your company and in turns craps on ours, your nerves might be just a little frazzled as well. Just think about it.
I had a Skywest Jump seater the the other day. Snot nose FO who walked in the cockpit and TOLD me "I'm riding here or in the back, I'm not sure yet" Then he wanted to put a huge chart case in the cockpit. I told him if he rode up front that would be fine, but if he was going in the back, to take it with him. He sat in 1B. He told the FA that "he had to sit there, just in case" because he was a jumpseater. He again came to the cockpit and said, "I'm sitting in back but I'm going to leave my bag here"
I told him no, and he said he was sitting in the bulkhead and had no place to put it. I told him to check it like every other pilot does. The FA offered another seat, he declined "I have to sit here just in case". What a chode. Then I find out that he is asking people to move their feet so he can put his bag under their seat!!!! I sware I can't make this up!! I called him to the cockpit and in no uncertain terms, told him check your bag or get off, he was delaying my flight. I found out later that he took out his charts and collapsed the case and put stuff in 3 overhead bins. On top of this he spent the whole flight "explaining" the plane to the guy next to him and dogging ASA with comments like "we own them and they better shape up or we will take all their planes"
Just for a moment if you were in my seat, how would that have gone over with you? But guess what? He still went. Politics with the jumpseat is a NO GO. I wanted to not denie, but grab this little b%@!h of a man by the ear and throw him on the ramp. But, he went. Again, no politics with the jumpseat.
I spent 7 years in the Army as a Blackhawk pilot and have been at ASA for 10 years, I will lecture you anytime I want. I've earned it.
Stick
Second, in reference to the bolded part of the quote, it is my understanding that JA has very little to do with the management of ASA. I believe that the same guys who ran ASA before, still are. Also you can hardly say that he craps on you, while treating us so great. Our pay is almost identical, with ASA perhaps getting just a bit more. They've also at least on three occasions aggresively pursued growth for ASA. You may not like how long it's taking the contract to get done, but you're far from gettting crapped on. I'm former Trans States, and I know what getting crapped on is like.
And third in reference, to you bashing slick haired young pilots at SkyWest, I only ask that you look in the mirror of your own pilot group. I believe ASA is hiring plenty of straight out of college 400 and 500 hour pilots. There are young pilots all over the regionals now, that all have different opinions on unions, and our industry as a whole. Don't try to pretend that ASA has 1,700 pilots with 7,000 hours or more, who've all been around the block twice.
Anyway, as I've said to you a couple times before, put your sword away, and stop bashing the SkyWest pilot group. Remember, in the not to distant future, we'll be on the same seniority list, and you'll have to fly with me, even if I'm young.
#75
I'll lecture any time I choose when you make jack ass rants and I could not care less what you are sick of hearing. Don't want to hear it? Then lecture your slick hairs, not me.
I applaud you voting yes, and even support your decision to denie the JSif it was as bad as you say.
I will say this in defense of the ASA pilot that you dealt with, If you were in our shoes and you'd had 3 bases yanked out from underneath you by Delta/ JA and you saw the way JA treats your company and in turns craps on ours, your nerves might be just a little frazzled as well. Just think about it.
I had a Skywest Jump seater the the other day. Snot nose FO who walked in the cockpit and TOLD me "I'm riding here or in the back, I'm not sure yet" Then he wanted to put a huge chart case in the cockpit. I told him if he rode up front that would be fine, but if he was going in the back, to take it with him. He sat in 1B. He told the FA that "he had to sit there, just in case" because he was a jumpseater. He again came to the cockpit and said, "I'm sitting in back but I'm going to leave my bag here"
I told him no, and he said he was sitting in the bulkhead and had no place to put it. I told him to check it like every other pilot does. The FA offered another seat, he declined "I have to sit here just in case". What a chode. Then I find out that he is asking people to move their feet so he can put his bag under their seat!!!! I sware I can't make this up!! I called him to the cockpit and in no uncertain terms, told him check your bag or get off, he was delaying my flight. I found out later that he took out his charts and collapsed the case and put stuff in 3 overhead bins. On top of this he spent the whole flight "explaining" the plane to the guy next to him and dogging ASA with comments like "we own them and they better shape up or we will take all their planes"
Just for a moment if you were in my seat, how would that have gone over with you? But guess what? He still went. Politics with the jumpseat is a NO GO. I wanted to not denie, but grab this little b%@!h of a man by the ear and throw him on the ramp. But, he went. Again, no politics with the jumpseat.
I spent 7 years in the Army as a Blackhawk pilot and have been at ASA for 10 years, I will lecture you anytime I want. I've earned it.
Stick
I applaud you voting yes, and even support your decision to denie the JSif it was as bad as you say.
I will say this in defense of the ASA pilot that you dealt with, If you were in our shoes and you'd had 3 bases yanked out from underneath you by Delta/ JA and you saw the way JA treats your company and in turns craps on ours, your nerves might be just a little frazzled as well. Just think about it.
I had a Skywest Jump seater the the other day. Snot nose FO who walked in the cockpit and TOLD me "I'm riding here or in the back, I'm not sure yet" Then he wanted to put a huge chart case in the cockpit. I told him if he rode up front that would be fine, but if he was going in the back, to take it with him. He sat in 1B. He told the FA that "he had to sit there, just in case" because he was a jumpseater. He again came to the cockpit and said, "I'm sitting in back but I'm going to leave my bag here"
I told him no, and he said he was sitting in the bulkhead and had no place to put it. I told him to check it like every other pilot does. The FA offered another seat, he declined "I have to sit here just in case". What a chode. Then I find out that he is asking people to move their feet so he can put his bag under their seat!!!! I sware I can't make this up!! I called him to the cockpit and in no uncertain terms, told him check your bag or get off, he was delaying my flight. I found out later that he took out his charts and collapsed the case and put stuff in 3 overhead bins. On top of this he spent the whole flight "explaining" the plane to the guy next to him and dogging ASA with comments like "we own them and they better shape up or we will take all their planes"
Just for a moment if you were in my seat, how would that have gone over with you? But guess what? He still went. Politics with the jumpseat is a NO GO. I wanted to not denie, but grab this little b%@!h of a man by the ear and throw him on the ramp. But, he went. Again, no politics with the jumpseat.
I spent 7 years in the Army as a Blackhawk pilot and have been at ASA for 10 years, I will lecture you anytime I want. I've earned it.
Stick
#76
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You should have denied him the Jumpseat. Absolutely.
My first Captain off of IOE reamed me a new a**hole on Leg one for tossing my crew-bag into the closet before offering to help the F/A with hers. I just had no idea about the common courtesy and privileges in this Industry - and I wish I could thank him today for tearing into me because I'd still be making a fool out of myself :-)
Next time you see one of those young slick Pilots, bring the hammer down on 'em. They've got to take off their diapers at some point - for everybody's sake!
#77
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Joined: Jun 2006
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From: Part 121, 135 & Military background
First of all, I still don't understand your overall hatred toward the SkyWest pilot group. No one I have EVER talked to in a SkyWest uniform is getting any enjoyment from "taking" anyone else's planes, just as you don't like flying some old Comair birds. But I'm willing to bet that if a plane pulls up to your gate, with ASA written on the side, but a CA tail number, you're still going to fly it. Don't insult my intelligence, and everyone else's on this forum by calling us scabwest.
Second, in reference to the bolded part of the quote, it is my understanding that JA has very little to do with the management of ASA. I believe that the same guys who ran ASA before, still are. Also you can hardly say that he craps on you, while treating us so great. Our pay is almost identical, with ASA perhaps getting just a bit more. They've also at least on three occasions aggresively pursued growth for ASA. You may not like how long it's taking the contract to get done, but you're far from gettting crapped on. I'm former Trans States, and I know what getting crapped on is like.
And third in reference, to you bashing slick haired young pilots at SkyWest, I only ask that you look in the mirror of your own pilot group. I believe ASA is hiring plenty of straight out of college 400 and 500 hour pilots. There are young pilots all over the regionals now, that all have different opinions on unions, and our industry as a whole. Don't try to pretend that ASA has 1,700 pilots with 7,000 hours or more, who've all been around the block twice.
Anyway, as I've said to you a couple times before, put your sword away, and stop bashing the SkyWest pilot group. Remember, in the not to distant future, we'll be on the same seniority list, and you'll have to fly with me, even if I'm young.
Second, in reference to the bolded part of the quote, it is my understanding that JA has very little to do with the management of ASA. I believe that the same guys who ran ASA before, still are. Also you can hardly say that he craps on you, while treating us so great. Our pay is almost identical, with ASA perhaps getting just a bit more. They've also at least on three occasions aggresively pursued growth for ASA. You may not like how long it's taking the contract to get done, but you're far from gettting crapped on. I'm former Trans States, and I know what getting crapped on is like.
And third in reference, to you bashing slick haired young pilots at SkyWest, I only ask that you look in the mirror of your own pilot group. I believe ASA is hiring plenty of straight out of college 400 and 500 hour pilots. There are young pilots all over the regionals now, that all have different opinions on unions, and our industry as a whole. Don't try to pretend that ASA has 1,700 pilots with 7,000 hours or more, who've all been around the block twice.
Anyway, as I've said to you a couple times before, put your sword away, and stop bashing the SkyWest pilot group. Remember, in the not to distant future, we'll be on the same seniority list, and you'll have to fly with me, even if I'm young.
"no one enjoys taking planes" That's b.s. read some of the post on here. Plus, I've heard with riding on the crew bus in SLC. Do not presume to tell me what I have not heard. Maybe you are so aw inspiring, that the loud mouths simply don't say it around you....
"insult you" I will, to your face preferably, as long as you continue to recruit and have loud mouth snot nose punks who continue to say the things I previously quoted, your pilot group will continue to be held accountable. Maybe you don't think that way, but many do, save your lecture for them.
"JA has little to do/same guys running ASA" Now you are showing your youth and inexperience. Do you really think that LeBreque runs ASA? They are wholly owned. BL is no more in charge of ASA today than when Delta owned us. All of our decision are made by JA or Delta. Want proof? Do you think ASA wanted to fire 100's of employees from the ramp/gate?
"JA doesn't crap on ASA" let's see.... "Jerry are you going to close SLC for ASA?" Answer from JA "it doesn't make sense to keep the base as small as it is, but if we can grow it we will leave it open" So what happens?
1. base closes
2. ASA increases the amount of flying in SLC
3. Open LAX (even smaller) so much for the "too small base theory"
4. Opens ATL base for Skywest even smaller than the ASA base in SLC
these were all (except maybe LAX) union busting moves. i.e. crapping on us
"equal pay" wrong again, you get time and a half for picking up open time/ we do not. you have a duty rig, we do not. Hell, you even get paid to take a Pizz test, we do not. I've seen your pay, you guys have bigger W2's and yet JA tells us we have to take a 13% pay cut when he bought us.
When did I say that we didn't have young new hires at ASA? Answer: never. There is a difference, we have way more senior captains who balance out the new hires and keep them straight on how not to act like a jerk.
"not so distant future, you'll have to fly with me young or not" Don't worry, you'll grow out of it. I hope.
#78
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From: Part 121, 135 & Military background
YOu are correct. I will concede the point. It does seem that their are a lot of people at skywest dragging down the good guys there. Again, just read some of the comments.
Stick
#79
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Amen. I'm a young guy myself (very young 20's) and it makes me SICK how some of these young newbie Pilots stretch "professionalism" into oblivion. It's terrible, but WAVIT is right - that guy could have been ANY pilot from ANY pilot group these days...Period.
You should have denied him the Jumpseat. Absolutely.
My first Captain off of IOE reamed me a new a**hole on Leg one for tossing my crew-bag into the closet before offering to help the F/A with hers. I just had no idea about the common courtesy and privileges in this Industry - and I wish I could thank him today for tearing into me because I'd still be making a fool out of myself :-)
Next time you see one of those young slick Pilots, bring the hammer down on 'em. They've got to take off their diapers at some point - for everybody's sake!
You should have denied him the Jumpseat. Absolutely.
My first Captain off of IOE reamed me a new a**hole on Leg one for tossing my crew-bag into the closet before offering to help the F/A with hers. I just had no idea about the common courtesy and privileges in this Industry - and I wish I could thank him today for tearing into me because I'd still be making a fool out of myself :-)
Next time you see one of those young slick Pilots, bring the hammer down on 'em. They've got to take off their diapers at some point - for everybody's sake!
Exp,
you sound like a great guy, but I caution you, don't play politics with the jumpseat. The tit for tat can get out of hand, and the next thing you know, some guy is going to loose his job because he couldn't commute to work because he got denied for a tit for tat reason. NO politics with the jumpseat.
Stick
#80
I'll lecture any time I choose when you make jack ass rants and I could not care less what you are sick of hearing. Don't want to hear it? Then lecture your slick hairs, not me.
I applaud you voting yes, and even support your decision to denie the JSif it was as bad as you say.
I will say this in defense of the ASA pilot that you dealt with, If you were in our shoes and you'd had 3 bases yanked out from underneath you by Delta/ JA and you saw the way JA treats your company and in turns craps on ours, your nerves might be just a little frazzled as well. Just think about it.
I had a Skywest Jump seater the the other day. Snot nose FO who walked in the cockpit and TOLD me "I'm riding here or in the back, I'm not sure yet" Then he wanted to put a huge chart case in the cockpit. I told him if he rode up front that would be fine, but if he was going in the back, to take it with him. He sat in 1B. He told the FA that "he had to sit there, just in case" because he was a jumpseater. He again came to the cockpit and said, "I'm sitting in back but I'm going to leave my bag here"
I told him no, and he said he was sitting in the bulkhead and had no place to put it. I told him to check it like every other pilot does. The FA offered another seat, he declined "I have to sit here just in case". What a chode. Then I find out that he is asking people to move their feet so he can put his bag under their seat!!!! I sware I can't make this up!! I called him to the cockpit and in no uncertain terms, told him check your bag or get off, he was delaying my flight. I found out later that he took out his charts and collapsed the case and put stuff in 3 overhead bins. On top of this he spent the whole flight "explaining" the plane to the guy next to him and dogging ASA with comments like "we own them and they better shape up or we will take all their planes"
Just for a moment if you were in my seat, how would that have gone over with you? But guess what? He still went. Politics with the jumpseat is a NO GO. I wanted to not denie, but grab this little b%@!h of a man by the ear and throw him on the ramp. But, he went. Again, no politics with the jumpseat.
I spent 7 years in the Army as a Blackhawk pilot and have been at ASA for 10 years, I will lecture you anytime I want. I've earned it.
Stick
I applaud you voting yes, and even support your decision to denie the JSif it was as bad as you say.
I will say this in defense of the ASA pilot that you dealt with, If you were in our shoes and you'd had 3 bases yanked out from underneath you by Delta/ JA and you saw the way JA treats your company and in turns craps on ours, your nerves might be just a little frazzled as well. Just think about it.
I had a Skywest Jump seater the the other day. Snot nose FO who walked in the cockpit and TOLD me "I'm riding here or in the back, I'm not sure yet" Then he wanted to put a huge chart case in the cockpit. I told him if he rode up front that would be fine, but if he was going in the back, to take it with him. He sat in 1B. He told the FA that "he had to sit there, just in case" because he was a jumpseater. He again came to the cockpit and said, "I'm sitting in back but I'm going to leave my bag here"
I told him no, and he said he was sitting in the bulkhead and had no place to put it. I told him to check it like every other pilot does. The FA offered another seat, he declined "I have to sit here just in case". What a chode. Then I find out that he is asking people to move their feet so he can put his bag under their seat!!!! I sware I can't make this up!! I called him to the cockpit and in no uncertain terms, told him check your bag or get off, he was delaying my flight. I found out later that he took out his charts and collapsed the case and put stuff in 3 overhead bins. On top of this he spent the whole flight "explaining" the plane to the guy next to him and dogging ASA with comments like "we own them and they better shape up or we will take all their planes"
Just for a moment if you were in my seat, how would that have gone over with you? But guess what? He still went. Politics with the jumpseat is a NO GO. I wanted to not denie, but grab this little b%@!h of a man by the ear and throw him on the ramp. But, he went. Again, no politics with the jumpseat.
I spent 7 years in the Army as a Blackhawk pilot and have been at ASA for 10 years, I will lecture you anytime I want. I've earned it.
Stick
With all due respect, you have absolutely no right to lecture me. You may feel that you’ve earned it but I’m here to tell you, you have not. I respect and applaud your years of service but that doesn’t give you any rights over me, PERIOD! I'm 31 years old, 1 child, married 6+ yrs, this is my second professional career, I have two degrees and I've been successful at everything I've attempted; so give me the respect that I'm showing you. The respect of not being some snot nosed, slick haired, cocky, this is my first pro-job ever pilot. My father and uncle are both former USAF (ret) and Braniff (ret)/SWA (cur) respectively; they have the right to lecture me. Both spent the better part of a decade involved in conflicts having limped home in wounded birds several times and yes, both have been shot down. They’ve earned my personal respect and admiration where you have my general respect and that's it.
As for SKW, there are cocky pilots everywhere so don’t be naive, at least the pilots who come to SKW held out instead of falling victim to SJS like so many of your new hires. They could have gone to GoJet, MAG, Colgan, PSA, TSA, Eagle or ASA around 500-600 (SJSers) hours or less but decided to hold out for SKW at 1000. That says something about them as a person even thought they’re cocky, time will set them straight and teach them the lessons they need for the long haul.
BTW, you may say that SKW is actually ScabWest but ASA is “Anther SkyWest Airline,” or are they “Another $hitty Airline.” Name calling? That’s for the immature so leave it to them.
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