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Old 03-31-2023 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Armyguy
You are nervous about finding a job in the greatest pilot market ever? Dang, you should just quit flight training
Take it easy on them. In this industry if you’re not worried, you’re not paying attention.
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Old 03-31-2023 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by three1five
Take it easy on them. In this industry if you’re not worried, you’re not paying attention.
Cannot agree more. The industry is feast or famine and if you're not feasting right now, you're probably going to be especially hungry when the next downturn comes. We are one major or a couple minor bankruptcies away from the abrupt end of the gravy train
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Old 04-01-2023 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by HSCompressor
When the legacies start offering longevity for years of service, then you know it has gotten really desperate.

And that will never happen at a unionized legacy. If they attempted this they would alienate all the pilots they have on property.
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Old 04-01-2023 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by flynd94
And that will never happen at a unionized legacy. If they attempted this they would alienate all the pilots they have on property.
Unless it is expressly prohibited by a CBA I wouldn’t put it past them. And I don’t think they’d be too worried about alienating pilots either. If guys at the LCCs knew they could start a legacy with years of longevity I’d be a true mass exodus. It would probably sink their competition. So a little bit of alienation wouldn’t offend them.

And btw. When was the last time these management types cared about alienation? How alienated you think they feel at UA and AA right now? They love fractured groups. Hell, that’s the big reason at AA they have APA and not ALPA, because they are so fractured.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by HSCompressor
When the legacies start offering longevity for years of service, then you know it has gotten really desperate.
Legacies are not desperate, legacies are causing other airlines to be desperate.
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Old 04-02-2023 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by HSCompressor
Unless it is expressly prohibited by a CBA I wouldn’t put it past them. And I don’t think they’d be too worried about alienating pilots either. If guys at the LCCs knew they could start a legacy with years of longevity I’d be a true mass exodus. It would probably sink their competition. So a little bit of alienation wouldn’t offend them.
They cannot unilaterally decide to selectively pay some union members a bonus, but not others. Unless they get a side letter from the MEC, that kind of thing does happen but in this climate the MEC would get lynched unless lack of new hires was creating catastrophic disruption.

That's a given, CBA specifies compensation and you can't change that unilaterally either way. They can't even offer premium pay to get people to pick up trips unless it's in accordance with CBA parameters.

What they can do however is pay anything they like to people who are not yet employees... they can fund college degrees, flight school, pay off loans, etc, etc. As long as it all happens before they start indoc. Unless somebody has CBA language prohibiting that, but I haven't heard anything along those lines.
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Old 04-03-2023 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Legacies are not desperate, legacies are causing other airlines to be desperate.
They are only desperate to staff their regionals.
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Old 04-03-2023 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyinCat
They are only desperate to staff their regionals.
Eventually they will start hiring more regional FO.
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Old 04-03-2023 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Eventually they will start hiring more regional FO.
If that regional survives. Not all of them do. Ask me how I know…
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Old 04-03-2023 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They cannot unilaterally decide to selectively pay some union members a bonus, but not others. Unless they get a side letter from the MEC, that kind of thing does happen but in this climate the MEC would get lynched unless lack of new hires was creating catastrophic disruption.

That's a given, CBA specifies compensation and you can't change that unilaterally either way. They can't even offer premium pay to get people to pick up trips unless it's in accordance with CBA parameters.

What they can do however is pay anything they like to people who are not yet employees... they can fund college degrees, flight school, pay off loans, etc, etc. As long as it all happens before they start indoc. Unless somebody has CBA language prohibiting that, but I haven't heard anything along those lines.
Been doing it at regionals. Offering longevity. Like I said. Unless it’s expressly prohibited….
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