Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Regional
Regional Airlines Shrinking? >

Regional Airlines Shrinking?

Search
Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

Regional Airlines Shrinking?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-05-2023, 05:10 AM
  #41  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Grumpyaviator's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,030
Default

Originally Posted by Brickfire View Post
Not without a union LOA - unless it was a pre-hire bonus
everything is negotiable, look at how ML pilots sold out for scope after they said “never again” again and again.
Grumpyaviator is offline  
Old 04-05-2023, 06:10 AM
  #42  
Gets Weekends Off
 
trip's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,236
Default

https://www.thestreet.com/retail/del...hese-17-cities
DL leaves these markets, some have been gone since covid. Most were regional markets, I remember Delta doing SLC-SBA, GJT, COD, DRO for years.

  • Akron, Ohio
  • Cody, Wyo.
  • Durango, Colo.
  • Erie, Pa.
  • Flint, Mich.
  • Fort Smith, Ark.
  • Grand Junction, Colo.
  • La Crosse, Wis.
  • Lincoln, Neb.
  • Manchester, N.H.
  • New Bern, N.C.
  • Newburgh, N.Y.
  • Newport News, Va.
  • Peoria, Ill.
  • Santa Barbara, Calif.
  • State College, Pa.
  • Wilkes-Barre, Pa,
trip is offline  
Old 04-06-2023, 08:09 AM
  #43  
Perennial Reserve
 
Excargodog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,590
Default Of course regionals are shrinking…



NEWARK, New Jersey — Faced with congested airports, rising costs, a pilot shortage and a resurgence in travel demand, airlines are increasingly turning to the same remedy: bigger planes that fit more passengers.

Flights operated by the 11 largest U.S. airlines had an average of more than 153 seats on domestic flights last year, up from an average of nearly 141 seats in 2017, according to aviation data firm Cirium. In April, U.S. carriers have 0.6% more seats in their domestic schedules compared with the same month of 2019, despite operating 10.6% fewer flights.

The trend toward larger planes, part of a strategy known in the industry as “upgauging,” means airlines can sell more seats on each flight and make do with fewer planes, which are in short supply. While more passengers per plane drive down an airline’s unit costs, it means fewer flight options for consumers.

For example, United Airlines said its flights have 20 more seats per departure in its full network than in 2019.

Rodney Cox, United’s vice president of airport operations at the carrier’s hub at Newark Liberty International Airport, told CNBC last month that it’s difficult to increase the number of flights operated into and out of the airport, one of the nation’smost congested.

“The way we continue to grow our model and grow the business is to upgauge our flights,” he said.

Last month, United said it would fly about 3,600 domestic routes using wide-body aircraft. The airline also devoted 777s, the largest plane in its fleet with 364 seats, to fly between major hubs and Orlando, Florida, during spring break, a spokeswoman said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/06/why-airlines-are-flying-bigger-planes.html
​​​​​​​



In the competition for gates at increasingly crowded hubs, the advantage is starting to go to the biggest aircraft that can fit in the gate.
Excargodog is offline  
Old 04-06-2023, 01:35 PM
  #44  
Gets Everyday Off
 
TransWorld's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Relaxed
Posts: 6,991
Default

Bottom line, 50 seats are mostly going away, replaced by 76 seats.

Some 76 seats will up gauge to 737/320.

Anyone who has been paying attention in this business has known that for several years.

in addition, a number of airports have been adding gates. Again, no news. Long term.
TransWorld is offline  
Old 04-06-2023, 02:44 PM
  #45  
Perennial Reserve
 
Excargodog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,590
Default

Originally Posted by TransWorld View Post
Bottom line, 50 seats are mostly going away, replaced by 76 seats.

Some 76 seats will up gauge to 737/320.

Anyone who has been paying attention in this business has known that for several years.

in addition, a number of airports have been adding gates. Again, no news. Long term.
All true, but the regional forum is where people approaching ATP eligibility go to learn about their next step. Many have been out CFIing or whatever, and haven’t been paying attention since they got the sales job from Embry-Riddle, ATP, or wherever. They are fortunate in that they are hitting a high retirement period for the three legacies, but what woukd have been common consensus 3-4 years ago has changed mightily now.
Excargodog is offline  
Old 04-07-2023, 09:32 AM
  #46  
Gets Everyday Off
 
TransWorld's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Relaxed
Posts: 6,991
Default

Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
All true, but the regional forum is where people approaching ATP eligibility go to learn about their next step. Many have been out CFIing or whatever, and haven’t been paying attention since they got the sales job from Embry-Riddle, ATP, or wherever. They are fortunate in that they are hitting a high retirement period for the three legacies, but what woukd have been common consensus 3-4 years ago has changed mightily now.
So, you are saying someone wanting to get hired on by a regional is not interested in the overall industry? Yes, things will change, but horse blinders is not a way to approach their career.

I am addressing this article. It is posted in regionals. I am responding to it, where it is.
TransWorld is offline  
Old 04-07-2023, 09:51 AM
  #47  
Perennial Reserve
 
Excargodog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,590
Default

Originally Posted by TransWorld View Post
So, you are saying someone wanting to get hired on by a regional is not interested in the overall industry? Yes, things will change, but horse blinders is not a way to approach their career. ]​​​​​
No. I’m saying precisely the opposite. Many people who started down this road when a regional was indeed the quickest way to a major are going to be looking in the regional thread and BECAUSE of those changes may want to consider other options. Or at least be knowledgeable that the conditions HAVE changed in considering those other options.

I am addressing this article. It is posted in regionals. I am responding to it, where it is.
Yep, it’s there because the target audience is there. What objections do you have about that audience getting pertinent information to help them in THEIR career choices. Those who already know about the changes can ignore the posting. Those who are ignorant of those changes can likely benefit from learning about them.
Excargodog is offline  
Old 04-07-2023, 10:20 AM
  #48  
Gets Everyday Off
 
TransWorld's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Relaxed
Posts: 6,991
Default

You continue to endlessly debate and take counter positions to me, and many others here. I am tired of that approach. I feel sorry for your spouse, your children, and your neighbors. They either continually but heads with you or they just roll their eyes and roll over and play dead; thinking less of you. I do not have that problem with anyone else on these forums. Take this as constructive feedback.

(Incidentally, I have never blocked anyone on these forums. I have no intention of changing my policy.)
TransWorld is offline  
Old 04-07-2023, 10:25 AM
  #49  
Perennial Reserve
 
Excargodog's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,590
Default

Originally Posted by TransWorld View Post
You continue to endlessly debate and take counter positions to me, and many others here. I am tired of that approach. I feel sorry for your spouse, your children, and your neighbors. They either continually but heads with you or they just roll their eyes and roll over and play dead; thinking less of you. I do not have that problem with anyone else on these forums. Take this as constructive feedback.

(Incidentally, I have never blocked anyone on these forums. I have no intention of changing my policy.)
I don’t “follow” you at all except in reply to comments directly referring to my postings. But please, in the future, jus plain IGNORE my postings if you have no desire to block me as they seem to be contributing to your paranoia.
Excargodog is offline  
Old 04-07-2023, 10:27 AM
  #50  
Gets Everyday Off
 
TransWorld's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Relaxed
Posts: 6,991
Default

Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
I don’t “follow” you at all except in reply to comments directly referring to my postings. But please, in the future, jus plain IGNORE my postings if you have no desire to block me as they seem to be contributing to your paranoia.
You make my point perfectly, in your response attitude. I am sorry for you, if you act this way in real life. Enough said.
TransWorld is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
TonyWilliams
Foreign
116
07-30-2018 07:55 AM
Crawl
Envoy Airlines
553
10-09-2014 10:36 AM
PatrickBateman
Envoy Airlines
31
09-11-2014 06:34 AM
Kprc1
Regional
81
02-25-2014 09:28 AM
AFPirate
Regional
6
11-26-2007 11:39 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices