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Old 04-03-2023 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
If that regional survives. Not all of them do. Ask me how I know…
Is that why your reagional did not survive?
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Old 04-03-2023 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Is that why your reagional did not survive?
Sort of. Lost half its flying and couldn’t survive on just what was left. Doesn’t exactly matter WHY you lose flying, be it losing your contract, bad management, or losing your CAs, if you drop below a certain level you lose economies of scale and what’s left can’t support the overhead.
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Old 04-03-2023 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by HSCompressor
Been doing it at regionals. Offering longevity. Like I said. Unless it’s expressly prohibited….
Regional unions either agreed in advance, out of enlightened self-interest, or just let it slide since the staffing problem is an existential problem for them.

Most major unions would not be so accommodating, they would view that as money which needs to be distributed to the pilot group as a whole. As I said before, and MEC could agree via side-letter but that might be at their peril.

And no, they cannot just do it with no recourse, the union could grieve that.
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Old 04-03-2023 | 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Sort of. Lost half its flying and couldn’t survive on just what was left. Doesn’t exactly matter WHY you lose flying, be it losing your contract, bad management, or losing your CAs, if you drop below a certain level you lose economies of scale and what’s left can’t support the overhead.
Why is GoJet still alive? Will they survive?
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Old 04-04-2023 | 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by game
Why is GoJet still alive? Will they survive?
Because United is keeping them alive…
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Old 04-04-2023 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by game
Why is GoJet still alive? Will they survive?
The are Hulas' favored child, when he desperately needed union busters the OG were ready and willing, and stepped up to the plate. Apparently he still remembers that (yes I know that few of those folks probably remain on property).

The mesa pilots had better luck, they managed to force the re-integration of Freedom A back into mesa, otherwise they'd probably be in a similar boat, with F-A the favored entity.
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Old 04-04-2023 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by HSCompressor
Been doing it at regionals. Offering longevity. Like I said. Unless it’s expressly prohibited….
The regionals where this has been going on have either negotiated an LOA, or filed a frozen grievance over it to prevent it from becoming accepted past practice.
Compensation outside the CBA is not allowed and they all have reacted to it, each in their own way.
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Old 04-04-2023 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by flynd94
And that will never happen at a unionized legacy. If they attempted this they would alienate all the pilots they have on property.

It would be a long shot, but if that was the only way to poach pilots to stay afloat they would try it. It wouldn’t affect seniority for bidding but allow pilots to coming over preserve their years of service for pay and retirement.
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Old 04-04-2023 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
It would be a long shot, but if that was the only way to poach pilots to stay afloat they would try it. It wouldn’t affect seniority for bidding but allow pilots to coming over preserve their years of service for pay and retirement.
Not without a union LOA - unless it was a pre-hire bonus
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Old 04-04-2023 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
Because United is keeping them alive…
Boooo! That’s cheating. Shame on UA for feeding the rats.
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