Are FO's still getting hired?
#61
New Hire
Joined APC: Apr 2023
Posts: 9
Under FAA regs we can count time "under direct supervision of an actual PIC while performing the duties of a PIC" as PIC time for us as copilots towards R-ATP mins as long as we're in a two seat or more aircraft.
#62
On Reserve
Joined APC: Oct 2022
Posts: 19
I thought that was for counting it towards getting your atp or ratp. Does this also count for the regional airlines hiring requirement of 250 pic also?
#63
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2022
Posts: 5
regs are confusing but if you justify it clearly the DPE won’t question it
#64
I’ve been watching 121noob’s posts for quite awhile and I decided I wanted to finally chime in.
If you really wanted a 121 job you would make some sacrifices. After 11 years of active duty military I decided I hated it and wanted to pursue being a professional pilot (while I was in the military I would be gone for weeks at a time and my family survived). At the time I was almost 30 years old and was married, had a kid, and another on the way and had a house (I had obligations). At that point I was also making about 75k/yr. When I got out of the military in order to be able to pursue my pilot certificates I took a job in retail making $11/hr (poverty wages as you say). Yes my wife did work until the new baby came and combined we probably made about 70k/yr (still poverty wages as you say), but when the baby came it dropped off a lot, I’ll let you do the math with my $11/hr wage. After I got my private, I got a job at the FBO with an awesome raise to $12/hr (still poverty wages). A few years later I also, like you, ended up with a jet job early on in my flying career. Despite my jet time (I was obviously overqualified for a regional), I still got a job offer flying for a regional.
So to me, it sounds like you are just making excuses. If you really wanted to job, you would make sacrifices. Everything JohnBurke has said is spot on. And before you say it, I admit, my reading comprehension may not be that great.
If you really wanted a 121 job you would make some sacrifices. After 11 years of active duty military I decided I hated it and wanted to pursue being a professional pilot (while I was in the military I would be gone for weeks at a time and my family survived). At the time I was almost 30 years old and was married, had a kid, and another on the way and had a house (I had obligations). At that point I was also making about 75k/yr. When I got out of the military in order to be able to pursue my pilot certificates I took a job in retail making $11/hr (poverty wages as you say). Yes my wife did work until the new baby came and combined we probably made about 70k/yr (still poverty wages as you say), but when the baby came it dropped off a lot, I’ll let you do the math with my $11/hr wage. After I got my private, I got a job at the FBO with an awesome raise to $12/hr (still poverty wages). A few years later I also, like you, ended up with a jet job early on in my flying career. Despite my jet time (I was obviously overqualified for a regional), I still got a job offer flying for a regional.
So to me, it sounds like you are just making excuses. If you really wanted to job, you would make sacrifices. Everything JohnBurke has said is spot on. And before you say it, I admit, my reading comprehension may not be that great.
#65
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2021
Posts: 331
I’ve been watching 121noob’s posts for quite awhile and I decided I wanted to finally chime in.
If you really wanted a 121 job you would make some sacrifices. After 11 years of active duty military I decided I hated it and wanted to pursue being a professional pilot (while I was in the military I would be gone for weeks at a time and my family survived). At the time I was almost 30 years old and was married, had a kid, and another on the way and had a house (I had obligations). At that point I was also making about 75k/yr. When I got out of the military in order to be able to pursue my pilot certificates I took a job in retail making $11/hr (poverty wages as you say). Yes my wife did work until the new baby came and combined we probably made about 70k/yr (still poverty wages as you say), but when the baby came it dropped off a lot, I’ll let you do the math with my $11/hr wage. After I got my private, I got a job at the FBO with an awesome raise to $12/hr (still poverty wages). A few years later I also, like you, ended up with a jet job early on in my flying career. Despite my jet time (I was obviously overqualified for a regional), I still got a job offer flying for a regional.
So to me, it sounds like you are just making excuses. If you really wanted to job, you would make sacrifices. Everything JohnBurke has said is spot on. And before you say it, I admit, my reading comprehension may not be that great.
If you really wanted a 121 job you would make some sacrifices. After 11 years of active duty military I decided I hated it and wanted to pursue being a professional pilot (while I was in the military I would be gone for weeks at a time and my family survived). At the time I was almost 30 years old and was married, had a kid, and another on the way and had a house (I had obligations). At that point I was also making about 75k/yr. When I got out of the military in order to be able to pursue my pilot certificates I took a job in retail making $11/hr (poverty wages as you say). Yes my wife did work until the new baby came and combined we probably made about 70k/yr (still poverty wages as you say), but when the baby came it dropped off a lot, I’ll let you do the math with my $11/hr wage. After I got my private, I got a job at the FBO with an awesome raise to $12/hr (still poverty wages). A few years later I also, like you, ended up with a jet job early on in my flying career. Despite my jet time (I was obviously overqualified for a regional), I still got a job offer flying for a regional.
So to me, it sounds like you are just making excuses. If you really wanted to job, you would make sacrifices. Everything JohnBurke has said is spot on. And before you say it, I admit, my reading comprehension may not be that great.
It appears as if he’s learned a lesson from a lot of people on here, albeit a hard lesson, when he finally came to the realization that he cannot count the time that he logged PIC towards the time requirements for airline jobs. He’s gone silent for at least a week or 2. Or so it seems, I could be wrong. But I think he definitely ate some humble pie when he realized that the reason nobody has called him was because of his PIC flight time. He wouldn’t listen when he was told by so many that, yes, he was able to legally log the time under the sole manipulator clause, but airlines frown upon that when looking for a job with them.
#66
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Joined APC: Oct 2023
Position: 135 SIC
Posts: 193
I have
I'm not.
Yup you made that clear
I'm not.
Yup you made that clear
#67
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Joined APC: Oct 2023
Position: 135 SIC
Posts: 193
That has absolutely nothing to do with it. And yes I have had calls and interviews.
#68
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Joined APC: Sep 2021
Posts: 331
#69
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 525
If there's one thing that's clear over the course of his mind-numbing threads, it's that the guy isn't having anything to do with humble.
I come to a forum with a bunch of experienced 121 pilots, ask for advice, get advice that I don't like, and now I'd be a moron to listen to any of it. He has an answer to everyone for everything. I'm still saying epic troll thread.
I come to a forum with a bunch of experienced 121 pilots, ask for advice, get advice that I don't like, and now I'd be a moron to listen to any of it. He has an answer to everyone for everything. I'm still saying epic troll thread.
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