Are FO's still getting hired?
04-24-2024, 09:10 PM
#41
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Which US airlines favor applicants who show up for the interview with a beard?
Are you advocating that one seeking a 121 position not shave?
Perhaps one who is serious about a successful interview will consider shaving his ragged face.
Are you advocating that one seeking a 121 position not shave?
Perhaps one who is serious about a successful interview will consider shaving his ragged face.
04-25-2024, 03:36 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by 121noob
I think you missed my original comments on this. I didn't want to shave for any interviews or meetings with recruiters because then my current employer would know I'm looking for another job.
Years ago, a pilot showed up in regional indoc with a beard. Every day the fleet captain would stop in and see if he'd shaved it yet... this went on until reviewing the FOM in class where it stated no beards. Said pilot got hauled into the fleet captains office at the end of indoc was told to shave or resign, because he'd be fired if not. His walking around the training center for two weeks with a beard caused such a stir that pilot recruitment got a mandate of "no beards" and from that time forward wouldn't process the application/hire anyone they met with a beard.
Not sure if the no beard mandate still exists, but you've met this company at a job fair. If the "no beards" tribal knowledge is still getting passed down from recruiter to recruiter, you're not doing yourself or your job hunt any favors.
04-25-2024, 05:06 AM
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With how competitive the Regional hiring market is right now you probably won't get hired any way, beard or no beard. So if the beard is that important to you and your current job security then I would just keep it and say no thanks to the interview.
04-25-2024, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BurnCycle
I'm absolutely with JohnBurke on this. The professional appearance standard is alive and well in US airlines. If you want a job with a US airline, you should shave your beard for the interview.
04-27-2024, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 121noob
I think you missed my original comments on this. I didn't want to shave for any interviews or meetings with recruiters because then my current employer would know I'm looking for another job.
04-28-2024, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
You wrote that your just over 1500 hrs. Applying to the majors and LCC's. That TT probably isn't competitive right now. That's not including how much MEL or PIC time you have. It looks like the 1600-2000 TT LCC hiring might have sailed.
There's agreements in place, at least at AA a couple of years ago, as to what percentage of the total hiring is reserved for flow throughs. If hiring drops to zero flows drop to zero.
There's agreements in place, at least at AA a couple of years ago, as to what percentage of the total hiring is reserved for flow throughs. If hiring drops to zero flows drop to zero.
Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
With how competitive the Regional hiring market is right now you probably won't get hired any way, beard or no beard. So if the beard is that important to you and your current job security then I would just keep it and say no thanks to the interview.
04-29-2024, 12:41 PM
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I got a rejection email this morning from Envoy, stating that I "do not meet all minimums at this time which are governed by the FARs," and that they will not be able to move forward in the recruiting process until I meet all FAA ATP/RATP Mins.
For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.
I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.
Thanks all!
For background, I qualify for an R-ATP with military experience (need 750 total time, 250 x-country, 100 night and 75 instrument, and I have 975, 860, 233 and 302, respectively). The only items that might be questionable are the 250 PIC, 100 x-country PIC, and 25 night PIC, of which I have none. However, according to 14 CFR § 61.159(a)(5), I should be good to go with 736 SIC, 736 x-country SIC and 196 night SIC in aircraft requiring dual operations, under the direct supervision of a PIC and while in a PIC-upgrade program.
I have an interview on the books with SkyWest, but I was wondering if anyone out there had any insight on why Envoy is telling me I don't qualify. I can understand if I'm not a competitive enough candidate, but to say I don't qualify isn't tracking with all the research I've done on this. I've asked for clarification on which minimums I don't meet, but haven't received an answer.
Thanks all!
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