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02-17-2009, 05:46 PM
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Isn't the fuel on the release figured with PPAS data? Unless ATC requests another speed from you, isn't this enough reason to fly the appropriate PPAS speed... especially on longer legs? I'm not saying it saves money or it doesn't, but it seems like a little CYA is in store for those following PPAS.
02-17-2009, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by imasaluki
Isn't the fuel on the release figured with PPAS data? Unless ATC requests another speed from you, isn't this enough reason to fly the appropriate PPAS speed... especially on longer legs? I'm not saying it saves money or it doesn't, but it seems like a little CYA is in store for those following PPAS.
I think we have a management conflict [understatement]. One part of manglement wants us to save money and be fuel effiecient. The other part wants us to have great operational numbers, to be on time. My opinion? People don't buy jets to go slow.
02-17-2009, 06:06 PM
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I hear ya, but why are the expensive pilots flying slow and the cheap help flying fast?
If bendo and Delta wanted to get real PPAS results they'd shove it down someone elses throat and have our too-expensive senior captains fly fast with the fuel savings.
If our crew costs were the main factor, which I think is a load anyway.
If bendo and Delta wanted to get real PPAS results they'd shove it down someone elses throat and have our too-expensive senior captains fly fast with the fuel savings.
If our crew costs were the main factor, which I think is a load anyway.
02-17-2009, 06:08 PM
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02-17-2009, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by imasaluki
Isn't the fuel on the release figured with PPAS data? Unless ATC requests another speed from you, isn't this enough reason to fly the appropriate PPAS speed... especially on longer legs? I'm not saying it saves money or it doesn't, but it seems like a little CYA is in store for those following PPAS.
02-17-2009, 06:20 PM
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02-17-2009, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
So today I'm pondering PPAS, and I'm reminded that Cost Factor is a balance between minimum cost and minimum time; minimum cost of course being a compromise between fuel (fly slow to save money) and crew (fly fast to save money).
So here's Comair flying slow to save Delta fuel costs, but our so-called "high crew costs" are magnified by our long block times.
Meanwhile CHQ, Mesa, and the rest of DCI are screaming along at .84, blowing Delta's fuel budget out the tailpipe and only saving pennies on crew costs with their 3rd year CAs and 1st year FOs.
Shouldn't Comair be flying fast and the other guys be flying slow?
So here's Comair flying slow to save Delta fuel costs, but our so-called "high crew costs" are magnified by our long block times.
Meanwhile CHQ, Mesa, and the rest of DCI are screaming along at .84, blowing Delta's fuel budget out the tailpipe and only saving pennies on crew costs with their 3rd year CAs and 1st year FOs.
Shouldn't Comair be flying fast and the other guys be flying slow?
02-17-2009, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJDriver
I never flew PPAS at Comair and always came in under the burn. You just gotta do it Southwest style. Ask for shortcuts and plan your climb/descent the right way.
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