JetJock16

I feel your pain and I said that I don't know if you are one of "those" pilots. I don't know you, but after reading this posting I understand now. Glad to see that you have your head on a swivel.

TonyC

No poetic license at all.

Since you don't recall the conversation we had about that very topic last month, I'll include here a link to and some excerpts from that conversation (September 22-23, 2007):

SkyWest ALPA Vote Scheduled, Letter from Mgmnt

Does that refresh your memory?


Not poetic license, nonetheless poetic.






I assumed that by using the metaphor "puppet" I would communicate reference to those persons or organizations that are controlled by The Company, who are doing The Company's bidding, and are serving as a mouthpiece (another metaphor, sorry) for The Company. Absent a grasp of the metaphorical use, the definition should suffice to covey the meaning: one whose acts are controlled by an outside force or influence.

I didn't consider you to be a puppet of The Company -- I was referring to a particular organization. But, if you're feeling the strings of The Company tugging at your arms, it might fit.



OK, I might sound like I'm getting a little personal, but I take great offense with your insinuation that I had taken license with the truth. Let's stick to the facts, shall we?





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mccube5

tracking the posts and opinions of Tony W i would definitely consider him to be a puppet of the company. one of those guys that thinks everything is absolutely top notch and the greatest thing since apple pie from within. ignorance is bliss and one man's trash is another man's treasure i suppose.

TonyWilliams

I clearly remember the conversation.

Again, they didn't say "shred the ballots", correct? (therefore poetic license. Just a nit, no big deal to me.) Ok, I see that in there now...


SAPA, perhaps, is that organization? If I'm a SAPA rep, am I now an official puppet?


... the facts are great.

TonyWilliams

I wouldn't knowingly jump into a company that was "trash". I do consider SkyWest to be in the top tier or regionals. Sorry if that offends your senses.

Don't forget "head in the sand", "crack some skulls", "banned off jumpseats", "can't get a job at other carriers", and all the other absolute idiotic scare tactic employed by those in support of ALPA.

Certainly, your "top notch" statement is hyperbole. There's plenty of things to fix, and there always will be, whether it's ALPA, SAPA, or any other alphabet soup group representing the pilots.

mccube5

yes i do think your participation in the atrocity that is the SAPA makes you a puppet. how could you knowingly support something that accomplishes nothing of real value.

TonyWilliams

Now that I'm a puppet, in that "atrocity", what can I possibly offer you in explanation?

Clearly, I'm an evil man. Whatch out pilots, I"M GUNNA GET YA !!!!

Edit:

Ok, this exchange would be fun to continue, but now I actually have to make sure my house doesn't burn down.

mccube5

certainly im not trying to say youre evil. actually if i was a betting man id say youre too nice, its why you think so highly of a middle of the road operation.

TonyC

Where did I say "shred the ballots"? (HINT: Nowhere)

Either you didn't comprehend what you were discussing then, or you don't comprehend what you're discussing now, or you're taking license with what I've said, or a combination of the above.

I said "shred their voting credentials":You promptly repeated and questioned the same phrase:
Let's take a moment to consider the term "poetic license" so you'll understand that of which you have accused me.
Now, what liberty do you accuse me of taking? What distortion did I commit? What deviation from fact did I exercise? What exaggeration do you detect?


NONE.

I quoted Brad Holt who said, "shred your instructions and VIN and PIN when you get them." The only possible objection you might have would be to my substitution of the word "credentials" for "instructions and VIN and PIN." In order to cast a vote electronically (more specifically, telephonically), one must have the instructions (which include the phone number to call and the steps to follow to register a vote), a Voter Identification Number (VIN), and a Personal Identification Number (PIN). These are the credentials required to vote. Without these credentials, the pilot cannot vote, and that inaction is counted as a NO vote. Once again, the "instructions and VIN and PIN" are the credentials.

Your latest change to "shred the ballot" indicates either your ignorance of the process, since there is no ballot to shred, or your unwillingness to admit that you were wrong to accuse me of taking liberty with the truth.

Your little switcheroo is, though, a classic case of poetic license. Change the facts to gain a desired effect. Ooops, we noticed.




I can't see what motivates you, but you know. Are you thinking on your own, or is someone pulling your strings? As the saying goes, if the shoe fits.





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Airsupport

Tony no one says you are evil.. but don’t you find it a little interesting that you haven’t even been with the company a year and that you are now a sapa rep and can presumably represent the pilot group?? I know you think its great and all but seriously,, I have been at pinnacle for almost 2 years now and wouldn't presume that i had enough experience to represent this pilot group. New guys "at any airline" still have the kool-aid all around their lips. Its not bad, everyone is excited when they start their first airline job, or move to some other airline they feel is better. but i can see even among our ranks that some of the brand new pilots actually think that the company is trying to help us out by giving fo's a 8 dollar raise. hell i would think that too if i had just started here. but experience is a great teacher. i can see that if we took this pay raise that it my help me right now in my pocket book, but it will do nothing for what we are trying to accomplish.