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supersix-4 10-25-2007 07:00 PM

Good-Luck Av8tr... I completely agree with Tony williams.. You gotta dig deep and just do it..No Negative thoughts ...

atpwannabe 10-25-2007 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by supersix-4 (Post 253004)
Good-Luck Av8tr... I completely agree with Tony williams.. You gotta dig deep and just do it..No Negative thoughts ...

Ditto. Get some rest....Review just before your sim ride.....then go slay that dragon! You'll do fine.

All the best. Blue skies.


atp

BURflyer 10-25-2007 07:42 PM

One pt121 training failure/washout is not the end of the world however your options will decrease. Second pt121 failure, then you're screwed. That's why it's important for the low time pilots looking to get into regionals to know what they're getting into. Hopefully the thread starter has passed.

Boris Badenov 10-25-2007 07:46 PM

I quit CHQ training during the sim (not having busted anything). I later got calls from TSA, SkyWest, and Pinnacle (the only other regionals to which I had applied). [edit: the resume I sent to these companies reflected my time at CHQ] I was totally upfront with my current (cargo) employer about what happened, and they not only didn't care, but were kind enough to check my PRIA paperwork and let me know that it simply said "resigned during training".

If you find yourself choosing between the door and the window, I recommend the door. Hope it doesn't come to that. Good luck.

saab2000 10-25-2007 08:22 PM

Times have changed. Work hard, try to pass. Deal with it if you have to leave. Not the end of the world, as the others have said.

If that happens, take a step back, digest what has happened and try to learn from it. That is the key thing.

Most airline training programs follow basically the same pattern, so try to figure out where you had difficulty and apply extra effort there. Find out your strengths and weaknesses.

Anyway, try to make this one happen. That's the best option. But if you have to leave, so be it. Ain't the end of the world. Just pick yourself up and get back on that horse. But maybe figure out why you got off it. That's the key.

SaltyDog 10-25-2007 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by The dude (Post 252974)
If there is a problem in training at XJT I can almost guarantee that is is not with the department. There are not instructors there with a hard on for failing people and have not been since probably 2001 or 2. They are quick to fix problems. Not to say that there aren't sometimes, but the general attitude is to do all possible to help people get through. What good does it do XJT to give a guy several hours in a VERY expensive simulator and send him packing? They don't want to let you go, and if they do......it costs them money.

What about the retired Marine MA? Is he still there. I heard he failed alot of folks. Don't know if he is still working.

ToiletDuck 10-25-2007 08:27 PM

I keep visiting this thread hoping to hear some good news. I'm almost sitting on the edge of my chair. It's like a book that could go either way and I'm wishing so hard for the best!

SaltyDog 10-25-2007 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by ceyoung (Post 252941)
For those asking if there was more to the story, there is A LOT more to the story. I just got through training here, and I have had nothing but great experiences with all the staff and everyone of my instructors. Everyone in our class who had a POSITIVE attitude towards being here made it through. It just takes hard work, and the right attitude. For those that can't do both, you probably should choose another career.

Go back to Florida.

Don't disagree with many of your points, but your CRM leaves much to be desired. Even positive attitudes and hard work cannot get everyone through. Financial reasons limit decisons on the part of the company. It is a whim in many cases. If they need you on the line and are desperate, you get more opportunities. They are winding things up, projections decreasing, you get less. All with a 'positive attitude' and hard work. You should learn to appreciate the lottery elements of our profession. Anyone can bust any check, depends how hard they squeeze and how you lead the crewmember into the check. A Designee can intimidate or cajole if they so choose. That is my opinion after a combination18 years military/121 instructor experience while also flying the line.


Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 252915)
There's really nothing you're going to learn between now and then, but you need the sleep.

Get off the GD computer, go get a half a shot of something and crawl into bed. Set the alarm first. Set three alarms.

Give yourself enough time to wake up, take a relaxing shower, and make it happen. The negative thoughts are gunna kill ya.

Look past the whole ordeal. You'll get to be back in bed by 6am.

Here is a true pro response. No nonsense, excellent CRM, outstanding CPT skills who is a leader.

Bloodhound 10-26-2007 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by SaltyDog (Post 253030)
What about the retired Marine MA? Is he still there. I heard he failed alot of folks. Don't know if he is still working.

... Still there. Mellowed a bit but still a different checkride.

freezingflyboy 10-26-2007 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by SaltyDog (Post 253030)
What about the retired Marine MA? Is he still there. I heard he failed alot of folks. Don't know if he is still working.

Had him as my instructor for sim training and found him to be a very no non-sense character that will teach you more about flying if you show you are willing to learn. You try to BS him though, you will get on his bad side. And the bad side of ANY Marine is not a warm, fuzzy place.


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