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01-03-2008 | 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ghilis101

the majors are reaching a desperation level? what? youre joking right? if they cut their pay AGAIN youd still see a giant stack of resumes at every major... just look at united when they starting hiring again this past fall. absolutely pitiful place to work yet they got thousands upon thousands of resumes for what, 150 new hire slots or so?

the reason many majors have relaxed requirements is so that certain people can get in (fighter pilots, relatives, and people who might somehow get preferential treatment). its been like this for decades

The wife is in the recruiting dept at UAL. Sleep well with that notion.......

01-03-2008 | 06:49 PM

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Delta has never had a PIC requirement, even before sept 11

BUT ..... I'm with a regional now, 3 years FO corporate, 3 years FO at this regional, college intern with delta, delta legacy....well quilified....they called and told me they wanted PIC time to give me an interview.

so comes the waiting of the upgrade.....

01-03-2008 | 06:51 PM

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The wife is in the recruiting dept at UAL. Sleep well with that notion.......

you are totally correct......

hopefully delta will lower the pic time they are requesting in the near future!

01-03-2008 | 06:56 PM

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The wife is in the recruiting dept at UAL. Sleep well with that notion.......

so she told you UAL is desperate for pilots? hehe

01-03-2008 | 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeshmoe

Not exactly. The majors are very much reaching the desperation level. Just look at the relaxed PIC requirements at DA and the relaxed degree requirement along with age at UAL. Its only a matter of time before meeting mins is all it takes for a face to face at a legacy.

I have to disagree 100% with your statement that the Majors are at the same state of crisis in regards to hiring as the Regionals are. "Relaxing" requirements is one thing, we all knew that this time in avation was on its way, but it is in no comparison to the Regional crisis where many airlines can not even find candidates with the basic minimum requirements.

If the Majors were at the desperation level as you speak every Regional guy with 1500/1000 would be going to CAL and since I exceed Delta's requirement of 1200/1000 I should be starting there in a week.

01-03-2008 | 07:29 PM

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Hard time getting on anywhere after a regional if the only PIC time you have is in a 172. You need that TPIC and you will need an upgrade to get it, called putting in your time and paying you dues.

The 250 hr wonderkids barley have any pic at all. (172 or otherwise)

01-03-2008 | 07:39 PM

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Severely ill-informed. Delta's mins are the same they have always been (even when fedex, ups, and swa guys were trying to get on here. as resent as 2001) and not the result of your improperly perceived "desperation". The average new hire of late had 6000+ tt and 2500+ pic and there are over 12,000 apps on file.

01-03-2008 | 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tonne

Have your people talk a little further with AC. They have hired regional FOs in the recent past. Of course the one I'm familiar with was stuck at Eagle for 7 years and had about 8,000 hrs.

01-03-2008 | 07:46 PM

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The 250 hr wonderkids barley have any pic at all. (172 or otherwise)

That was my pioint. That without logging TPIC at a Regional you will be hard pressed to make it past the Regional level, we all know PIC is not even an issue to get to the Regional level.

01-04-2008 | 06:30 AM

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Juice I said they are reaching the desperation level, not that they are completely there yet. It doesn't take a stretch of the mind to see that the ship is headed in that direction when you see, as you stated, a relaxing of requirements.
I didn't mention CAL because I don't know what their mindset is at CAL. I mentioned UAL since my wife works in the recruiting dept. and I've spoken not only with her but others higher up who's sentiments are that the relaxing of requirements at UAL is directly related to the fact that they aren't getting the numbers they need. You can disagree all you want and I respect that.