$16.24x 75 guarantee = $14616 1st year fo base pay

Average line credit at most bases 85 = approx $16665

Average line TAFB- 325 hrs @ $1.35 per diem = $5265

Yearly holiday pay + one week of vacation pay = $730

All together = $22,660/ before Uncle Sam robs you.

I'm not saying this is always the case but this is a more realistic 1st year f/o pay than $13,000. I am not justifying that this is right and we are still by far the lowest paid. But as said in other posts, we are fighting for a contract and fighting to get paid what we are worth. There are many people that can not live on these wages and that's fine we aren't making you come to great lakes. I did just fine on 1st year fo pay at lakes, and there are hundreds of other people who make it by just fine at lakes on that pay. There are also a lot of people that don't have to go a full year making $16.24 an hour because they upgrade within there first year and make $27 an hour w/ in 8-10 months. Does that answer your question.

 

You're equating the pay to a standard 40 HR work week?
That isn't an accurate comparison is it?

USMCFLYR

 

What you "believe" is incorrect. Skywest started out flying all their own routes, the flying they currently do was all deemed not worthy of mainline pilots and given away by their own actions!

 

I do feel this is a fair comparison because a full time job is 40 hours a week. If one has a job at Great Lakes is that not considered full time. If a person went for a bank loan don’t you think the loan officer would break it down the same way to see what the individual made per week? I am sure that per diem would not count as income either.

 

No I don't.
Would you make the same argument for a young enlisted who works 24/7 for 8 months straight while deployed? What do you think the hourly wage works out tonin that circumstance?

In all the loans I've ever applied for I've never had to write down my hourly wage. I hear some of those car commercials spouting off about their financing if you "have a steady job and make at least $250 per week", but again I've not personally heard the commercial say instead " ....if you make $8 per hour"

Many jobs just don't equate to the money per hour ideal. Another that I see regularly - Real Estate. Have a few slow months of no sales and how do you think that figure gets skewed?

GLA pay is low. There is no need to try and dramatized the fact with inaccurate comparisons in my opinion.

USMCFLYR

 

USMCFLYR
Well back when I was a young PFC back in “beautiful 29 Palms” I applied for a car loan from my local credit union back in Michigan They wanted to know what I made and they wanted to know what I made per hour based on a 40 hour work week. I told them that is not how I was paid but I still had to break it down for them. As for a real estate agent I would think they would go by last year’s W-2.
I’m not trying to dramatize just try to make a comparison to a person that works full time and gets paid by the hour.
By the way a 1999 PFC made$ 13524/52=260/40=$6.50

 

I have also seen when taking a loan where they don't take into account BAH or BAS, they just want basic pay. For the non military folks;

BAH: Basic Allowance for Housing
BAS: Basic Allowance for Substance (food)

Depending where you live and your rank this could add to well over 1k a month!

I am not sure why are bashing the folks at Lakes, some go there because it's the only place that gives them the chance, some go there because it's the first place that called and some go chasing the upgrade. It's their choice, they got to live with it for the good and for the bad. I do understand the whole point about lowering the bar but that can be said for all of us.

 

This has been my experience any time I've bought a car.

 

Then you and I have had different experiences with buying cars (or anything else on loan) then because I have never been asked to breakdown my SALARY into a per hour wage (which is the difference between a SALARY AND PER HOUR WAGE EARNER), even before the military. At most they want to know my weekly take home.

Jay2 - did you also explain to the loan officer that you did not work 40 work weeks? I think 60 HR work week would be more average and that is in garrison, we won't even hit on the deployed time I mentioned in my first post. I mean if they just want a numbers game and fit a square peg in a round hole. As far as GLA hourly pay goes, it is already broken up that way. Didn't someone else post earlier around $16/HR?

USMCFLYR

 

Honest question. It seems that most people would consider GLA a stepping stone as far as career goals. However is this solely based on the pay scales or are there other factors involved? If you stuck it out and made 100k on the erj120 there rather than 40k would you stay?