Go Jets
02-13-2008 | 01:14 PM
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The reason I question this United Capt is because when I got to the gate I asked the gate agent if I could take the jumpseat since it was looking like a full flight and she said that there were two jumpseaters already and that they were cleared by the capt. I'm not saying anything bad about the capt because United crews have been pretty good to me and they are always nice so maybe this particular capt was just being extra nice. Who knows
02-13-2008 | 04:04 PM
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From: Rollin' Down tha 405
"History
The airline was established in late 2004 by the current owners of Trans States Airlines. The airline was created to undermine the efforts of the Pilots Union at Trans State Airlines. Trans States Holdings was awarded a contract to fly CRJ 700 aircraft for united. The flying should have been flown by Trans States Airline pilots, but the holding company refused to negotiate a fair contract with its workers and started GoJets as an alter ego carrier to bypass the rights of the workers at Trans States Airlines. GoJet was supposed to start on August 4, 2005, but began scheduled passenger services on October 4, 2005 instead. The airline received its initial Air Carrier Operating Certificate in September of 2005. The initial fleet consists of fifteen 66-seat Bombardier CRJ-700 regional jets."
Right out of Wikipedia.
The airline was established in late 2004 by the current owners of Trans States Airlines. The airline was created to undermine the efforts of the Pilots Union at Trans State Airlines. Trans States Holdings was awarded a contract to fly CRJ 700 aircraft for united. The flying should have been flown by Trans States Airline pilots, but the holding company refused to negotiate a fair contract with its workers and started GoJets as an alter ego carrier to bypass the rights of the workers at Trans States Airlines. GoJet was supposed to start on August 4, 2005, but began scheduled passenger services on October 4, 2005 instead. The airline received its initial Air Carrier Operating Certificate in September of 2005. The initial fleet consists of fifteen 66-seat Bombardier CRJ-700 regional jets."
Right out of Wikipedia.
02-13-2008 | 07:26 PM
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Go Jet
About 10 months ago I lost my job and was looking for work. I sent a resume to Go Jet. At the time I didn't know anything about them. They called and offered a PIC position over the phone. So that got me wondering what was going on with them. I didn't take the job. However, I was kind of surprised by what I found in my research.
I called ALPA to find out where they stood on the company. They said that they had no issue with the company or any of the pilots.
I found this website where I got a ridiculed for brining up the subject.
The only ones that seems to give a crap about Go Jet being in business are the pilots at all the other airlines.
From a business standpoint Go Jet makes sense if you own the company. It was a way for them to get around contracts an a more expensive payroll. However, it never works out for them. Because, as soon as they have the chance the employee groups are going to get representation with a union. After a couple of years with the union trying to get the profits filtering to the employees it becomes a loser deal anyways. Freedom really transformed Mesa's profit base didn't it. So who will be the next company to try it. Which CEO has a big enough ego to think that they can pull it off.
Here were my reasons not to go work there:
Pain in the ass to commute to St. Louis
Getting the stink eye from pilots for the rest of my career
The pay
People are going to take those low level jobs. If someone wants in the industry bad enough they will take just about any job they can get. Its not like Go Jet is going to take down the industry with their 15 airplanes and 150 pilots.
As an aside only company that seems to be able to function without a union is Skywest.
I called ALPA to find out where they stood on the company. They said that they had no issue with the company or any of the pilots.
I found this website where I got a ridiculed for brining up the subject.
The only ones that seems to give a crap about Go Jet being in business are the pilots at all the other airlines.
From a business standpoint Go Jet makes sense if you own the company. It was a way for them to get around contracts an a more expensive payroll. However, it never works out for them. Because, as soon as they have the chance the employee groups are going to get representation with a union. After a couple of years with the union trying to get the profits filtering to the employees it becomes a loser deal anyways. Freedom really transformed Mesa's profit base didn't it. So who will be the next company to try it. Which CEO has a big enough ego to think that they can pull it off.
Here were my reasons not to go work there:
Pain in the ass to commute to St. Louis
Getting the stink eye from pilots for the rest of my career
The pay
People are going to take those low level jobs. If someone wants in the industry bad enough they will take just about any job they can get. Its not like Go Jet is going to take down the industry with their 15 airplanes and 150 pilots.
As an aside only company that seems to be able to function without a union is Skywest.
02-13-2008 | 07:46 PM
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02-13-2008 | 08:06 PM
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From: SkyWest Captain
Here's my new idea for letting them get a ride. They all try to pass themselves off as "United" pilots by using the little orange United crew tags on their rollerboards already, so in exchange for a ride they have to cut off that bag tag and give it to me since I'm actually a "real" United pilot and we haven't been able to get one of our own crew bag tags since I got hired last fall. Losers.
Funny Blow jets story though- We arrive in PVD hotel for the overnight and talking to the lady at the front desk of the hotel, I ask what other crews stay here. She goes down the list and gets to Go-Jets and I start laughing. She asks me why everyone hates them so much and calls them scabs, so I break it down simply for her to understand. Then she tells me that one time the van driver came back from picking a ho-jet crew up and when they all walked in the front door she asked what airline they were with. The van driver says "I just picked up the scabs" right in front of them because he didn't know what it meant. LMAO!! Priceless
Funny Blow jets story though- We arrive in PVD hotel for the overnight and talking to the lady at the front desk of the hotel, I ask what other crews stay here. She goes down the list and gets to Go-Jets and I start laughing. She asks me why everyone hates them so much and calls them scabs, so I break it down simply for her to understand. Then she tells me that one time the van driver came back from picking a ho-jet crew up and when they all walked in the front door she asked what airline they were with. The van driver says "I just picked up the scabs" right in front of them because he didn't know what it meant. LMAO!! Priceless
02-13-2008 | 08:45 PM
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From: CRJ-700
I was at Flight Safety in St. Louis last year and asked the receptionist why there was such a large group in one of the traing room classes. She told me that it was an airline class, when I asked what airline she chuckled and said GOJet. Now the Flight Safety in St. Louis that we attend is called the F.S. Sabreliner Training center, she said that the Main Flight Safety in St. Louis had transfered them here because there was not enough room for them. I was there doing my recurrent for 4 days, and during that time not one of those guys/gals ever made eye contact or spoke to us while we were there, wich is extremley wierd because everyone there always socialize while in the breakroom , etc.
My sim partner and I were talking about how wierd these guys seemed and just kept thinking that maybe these guys where just suffering from the waterhose effect and worrying about washing out of training or something anyways we just thought they were a strange bunch, and couldnt figure them out.
Well 10 mos. later and I join a forum called APC and finally figured out those wierdo's in St. Louis,THEY WERE EMBARESSED to be attending a ground school for a company like they were hahahahahahahahahaha
The first thing I did was call the receptionist at F. S. (a good friend of mine while im in town for the past 4yrs.) and asked her about these guys- she said she thought when she told me their company name that I knew about them and thats why she started laughing when i asked her who they were. She told me that the other FS had asked to have them attend the class there so they could keep them seperated out from another company that was also in training there-
Does ATA do there training through F.S. in St. Louis?
Just thought I'd let you guys know about my only contact with these scabs, I guess they thought that they might get eaten alive by us if we knew what they were.
My sim partner and I were talking about how wierd these guys seemed and just kept thinking that maybe these guys where just suffering from the waterhose effect and worrying about washing out of training or something anyways we just thought they were a strange bunch, and couldnt figure them out.
Well 10 mos. later and I join a forum called APC and finally figured out those wierdo's in St. Louis,THEY WERE EMBARESSED to be attending a ground school for a company like they were hahahahahahahahahaha
The first thing I did was call the receptionist at F. S. (a good friend of mine while im in town for the past 4yrs.) and asked her about these guys- she said she thought when she told me their company name that I knew about them and thats why she started laughing when i asked her who they were. She told me that the other FS had asked to have them attend the class there so they could keep them seperated out from another company that was also in training there-
Does ATA do there training through F.S. in St. Louis?
Just thought I'd let you guys know about my only contact with these scabs, I guess they thought that they might get eaten alive by us if we knew what they were.
02-14-2008 | 05:09 AM
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From: CRJ-200/700 FO
"History
The airline was established in late 2004 by the current owners of Trans States Airlines. The airline was created to undermine the efforts of the Pilots Union at Trans State Airlines. Trans States Holdings was awarded a contract to fly CRJ 700 aircraft for united. The flying should have been flown by Trans States Airline pilots, but the holding company refused to negotiate a fair contract with its workers and started GoJets as an alter ego carrier to bypass the rights of the workers at Trans States Airlines. GoJet was supposed to start on August 4, 2005, but began scheduled passenger services on October 4, 2005 instead. The airline received its initial Air Carrier Operating Certificate in September of 2005. The initial fleet consists of fifteen 66-seat Bombardier CRJ-700 regional jets."
Right out of Wikipedia.
The airline was established in late 2004 by the current owners of Trans States Airlines. The airline was created to undermine the efforts of the Pilots Union at Trans State Airlines. Trans States Holdings was awarded a contract to fly CRJ 700 aircraft for united. The flying should have been flown by Trans States Airline pilots, but the holding company refused to negotiate a fair contract with its workers and started GoJets as an alter ego carrier to bypass the rights of the workers at Trans States Airlines. GoJet was supposed to start on August 4, 2005, but began scheduled passenger services on October 4, 2005 instead. The airline received its initial Air Carrier Operating Certificate in September of 2005. The initial fleet consists of fifteen 66-seat Bombardier CRJ-700 regional jets."
Right out of Wikipedia.
02-14-2008 | 05:32 AM
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yes, that's why the certificate was created. however, when the TSA pilot group said, "sure we'll fly the 700s, but we want more money to do that, as it's a bigger plane." uncle hulas' grip on his wallet tightened, and suddenly this Trans States Holdings sprang up, along with gojet.
02-14-2008 | 06:01 AM
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I was at Flight Safety in St. Louis last year and asked the receptionist why there was such a large group in one of the traing room classes. She told me that it was an airline class, when I asked what airline she chuckled and said GOJet. Now the Flight Safety in St. Louis that we attend is called the F.S. Sabreliner Training center, she said that the Main Flight Safety in St. Louis had transfered them here because there was not enough room for them. I was there doing my recurrent for 4 days, and during that time not one of those guys/gals ever made eye contact or spoke to us while we were there, wich is extremley wierd because everyone there always socialize while in the breakroom , etc.
My sim partner and I were talking about how wierd these guys seemed and just kept thinking that maybe these guys where just suffering from the waterhose effect and worrying about washing out of training or something anyways we just thought they were a strange bunch, and couldnt figure them out.
Well 10 mos. later and I join a forum called APC and finally figured out those wierdo's in St. Louis,THEY WERE EMBARESSED to be attending a ground school for a company like they were hahahahahahahahahaha
The first thing I did was call the receptionist at F. S. (a good friend of mine while im in town for the past 4yrs.) and asked her about these guys- she said she thought when she told me their company name that I knew about them and thats why she started laughing when i asked her who they were. She told me that the other FS had asked to have them attend the class there so they could keep them seperated out from another company that was also in training there-
Does ATA do there training through F.S. in St. Louis?
Just thought I'd let you guys know about my only contact with these scabs, I guess they thought that they might get eaten alive by us if we knew what they were.
My sim partner and I were talking about how wierd these guys seemed and just kept thinking that maybe these guys where just suffering from the waterhose effect and worrying about washing out of training or something anyways we just thought they were a strange bunch, and couldnt figure them out.
Well 10 mos. later and I join a forum called APC and finally figured out those wierdo's in St. Louis,THEY WERE EMBARESSED to be attending a ground school for a company like they were hahahahahahahahahaha
The first thing I did was call the receptionist at F. S. (a good friend of mine while im in town for the past 4yrs.) and asked her about these guys- she said she thought when she told me their company name that I knew about them and thats why she started laughing when i asked her who they were. She told me that the other FS had asked to have them attend the class there so they could keep them seperated out from another company that was also in training there-
Does ATA do there training through F.S. in St. Louis?
Just thought I'd let you guys know about my only contact with these scabs, I guess they thought that they might get eaten alive by us if we knew what they were.
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