So why is it that GoJet's has a better pay scale than Trans States? This is a serious question, and I'm guessing it was with a new contract?

 

Why TSA pilots did not strike when Hulas created GJ. Why they turned down the offer to fly the CRJ, 3 times and why ALPA MEC (mr. Dario Miranta if I am not mistaken) jumped ship after GJ was created and left his ALPA fellow pilots at TSA hanging. I have few friends at GJ and all of them are ex TWA/American pilots.Regionals are stepping stones for most of us, unfortunatelly it's an on going war between regionals about who is getting what flying contract. I think certain regionals over or under bid others on getting contracts with some Majors or Legacy airlines etc etc. If you ask me the down fall of the majors/legacy airlines is the assign of flying to the regionals. I am sure that 90% of the regional pilots are there flying for regionals just because they need the time and a foot on the industry.
18$/ph and 25$ or even 40$ is a absolute EMBARASMENT for airline pilots.
SO lets just get our feet on the door, get our expirience and move on to something bigger or better or both. I had GJ pilots on my jumpseat and TSA and SKW and Colgan etc etc. They are all the same. Pilots. I have also seen SouthWest cptns and AirTran capt to kick of TSA pilots because the said something about GJ, and the opposite ofcourse. Also few dear friends of mine, pretty high in seniority at TSA (around 13-16 years at TSA) they admit that it was their fault that they lost the GJ flying. I remember when I was at AE and TSA basicaly took my flying as American Connection and I had to seat few more years as an FO (nothing wrong with that) on the 700.Boy I was mad at them.But it's not the pilots fault.. Companies make agreements and they decide. Not us. Unfortunatelly.

 

it's a brand new contract they signed back in august or so. the TSA contract is 7 years old.

before the blojet contract was signed, they were paid exactly the same as the TSA pilots, minus the work rules (yay 6-day trips with the req. 24hrs off at an outstation right into another 6 day trip), pay protection, block or better, or any other thing we generally take for the minimum we'll work for.

the original 5 pilots were hand selected by mgmt and were generally disliked by the rest of the pilot group (or so a lot of captains told me) before they went scab.

and TSA ALPA did fight against the creation of blowjet. however, the judge ruled against them in that their scope clause didn't apply (it said Trans states airlines, not trans states holdings in the contract) and hulas could do as he pleased with his "entirely seperate company." except they used the same training dept, recruiting office, and dispatch for a couple of years.

 

because Hulas was offering them too little to fly the plane.

another reason to never let an accountant own your airline.

 

Yeah I used to eat at the Greek place in F back when all of that UE flying out of ORD was ACA and Air WI. Then one day I got a memo that said I had to give 12% of my paycheck because TSA and Mesa were lowballing us and going after our routes. Long story short bottom price won and I collected unemployment from the state of Virginia. Airline management are scum, ALPA is impotent, if you dont like sell stocks. But dont bash other pilots for feeding their families. It was never your flying, its Uniteds

 

Absolutely true. Also I think that start up pay does not last forever. Not that I agree on how much GJ TSA AE SKW COLGAN etc etc pilots are getting pay but as you said. ACCOUNTANTS RUNS THE SHOW. Thanks for a proffessional reply

 

Exactly. Let's face it, just about every regional was/is at one time or another "hated" by some other regional for "taking its flying." When I was at Eagle, we said (and some continue to say) the same things about TSA and CHQ, that TSA guys are now saying about GoJet, and even had a sticker that looks comically similar to the one I've seen about "No Alter Ego Jets," or something to that effect.

The second we stop pointing the finger at the pilots of whatever regional happens to be the scapegoat of the time, the sooner we all make a step toward real progress.

 

well I guess my point was right....scabs=management,no pilots .We're looking for the same thing. Do what we love to do and if we get lucky move on to better planes ,better pay.Right?

 

Yeah, thats the name. Great greasy food. Good down home cooking

 

bull.

they are scabs, and thats what were gonna continue to call them. Dont steer this thread towards giving them sympathy. Maybe the flying should have been accepted then fought to raise the pay AFTER it was TSA pilots flying it, but its in the past and we cant change that.