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Old 02-14-2008 | 06:12 PM
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I think I lost my alter-ego-jet sticker!!!
Old 02-14-2008 | 06:31 PM
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[quote=sonic;319698] They all try to pass themselves off as "United" pilots by using the little orange United crew tags on their rollerboards

Just a note....I work the ramp in Denver and I have seen these tags...
they say United in bright orange with express on each side....get your story right.
Old 02-14-2008 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmosdrvr
Yeah I used to eat at the Greek place in F back when all of that UE flying out of ORD was ACA and Air WI. Then one day I got a memo that said I had to give 12% of my paycheck because TSA and Mesa were lowballing us and going after our routes. Long story short bottom price won and I collected unemployment from the state of Virginia. Airline management are scum, ALPA is impotent, if you dont like sell stocks. But dont bash other pilots for feeding their families. It was never your flying, its Uniteds
So now we got to the point in the thread where people are defending the scabs with the feed their family argument ( see my first post in this thread)

So you guys don't think that the TSA pilots who were sticking it out for higher pay weren't trying to feed their families. I'm afraid they were but they were trying to hold out for that better pay until the scabs (TSA pilots who went to gojets) crossed the union lines and cheated everyone out of the higher pay. I agree management are scum because they thought of the gojet idea, but that doesn't mean that pilots had to buy into it and sell out. Thus, the pilots who cheated Everyone out of the higher pay are no better than management themselves.

I think that treating Gojet pilots the way that the majority of pilots do is great. It acts as a great deterrent to future scabs who are willing to fly for less money and worse work rules. I know I would ever cross the union line for that exact reason.

Exactly. Let's face it, just about every regional was/is at one time or another "hated" by some other regional for "taking its flying." When I was at Eagle, we said (and some continue to say) the same things about TSA and CHQ, that TSA guys are now saying about GoJet, and even had a sticker that looks comically similar to the one I've seen about "No Alter Ego Jets," or something to that effect.

The second we stop pointing the finger at the pilots of whatever regional happens to be the scapegoat of the time, the sooner we all make a step toward real progress.
The Gojet argument isn't about them taking TSA's flying, its about them willing to work for less and cheating everyone at TSA out what they have worked hard for.

As far as the supposed airlines taking other airlines flying argument, I would agree with you. I believe thats what happens in a free economy, when a contract is up and a company can do a better job than the previous then the better company should get the contract. This is different in the sense that they are different company's not a faction of a company willing to fly the route for less money while the other half of the company refuses to.
Old 02-14-2008 | 08:10 PM
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If I recall the story correctly (certainly not a guarantee that I am) - TSA furloughed pilots after GoJet was operational. This, if true, is the worst part of this story. There is a lot of talk about "GoJet SCABS" and "SkyBus/Virgin/JetBlue SCABS" on this forum. I understand the emotion - but I believe a SCAB is someone that has crossed a picket line. That said, if TSA did in fact furlough pilots while GoJet was undercuting them it makes GoJet 95% SCAB-like to me. Someone please correct me if I am wrong about the facts.
Old 02-14-2008 | 09:59 PM
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Oh yea, all United Express flying is Mainline United Flying. I'm sure United LOVED the idea of running 737's from ORD-MKE or ORD-MSN or ORD-MLI

All of the routes that are flown by express carriers, ESPECIALLY the 50 or 66 seat jets are just that, EXPRESS.

When you get to EMB-190's or CRJ-900's, then MAYBE that can enter the arguement of "that's United Flying"

I'm surprised people aren't saying "The Dash-8 flying or EMB-120 turboprop flying is mainline pilots flying as well!"
Old 02-14-2008 | 10:38 PM
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Ok, so I have to ask just for my peace of mind. Until I read this thread tonight, I had been completely under the impression that GoJet was under Mesa Air Group.

But its actually TSA Holdings, I see now?

How for the life of me did I think it was Mesa or am I just smoking something here?

And I was all ready to share a short funny little Mesa story, too!
Old 02-14-2008 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AZFlyer
Ok, so I have to ask just for my peace of mind. Until I read this thread tonight, I had been completely under the impression that GoJet was under Mesa Air Group.

But its actually TSA Holdings, I see now?

How for the life of me did I think it was Mesa or am I just smoking something here?

And I was all ready to share a short funny little Mesa story, too!
LoL...GoJet under the MAG-umbrella? That's a new one for me No worries!
Old 02-15-2008 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AZFlyer
Ok, so I have to ask just for my peace of mind. Until I read this thread tonight, I had been completely under the impression that GoJet was under Mesa Air Group.

But its actually TSA Holdings, I see now?

How for the life of me did I think it was Mesa or am I just smoking something here?

And I was all ready to share a short funny little Mesa story, too!
If it were true, they might just turn out to be the most hated airline of the century.
Old 02-15-2008 | 05:54 AM
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[quote=denramp;320665]
Originally Posted by sonic
They all try to pass themselves off as "United" pilots by using the little orange United crew tags on their rollerboards

Just a note....I work the ramp in Denver and I have seen these tags...
they say United in bright orange with express on each side....get your story right.
Hey DENRAMP,
I do have my story straight, seen them/inspected them with my own eyes. I think I know what a United crew tag looks like. Maybe you need to get YOUR facts straight. Let me guess, you're working the ramp while you build enough time to get an interview at scab-jet.
Old 02-15-2008 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AZFlyer
Ok, so I have to ask just for my peace of mind. Until I read this thread tonight, I had been completely under the impression that GoJet was under Mesa Air Group.

But its actually TSA Holdings, I see now?

How for the life of me did I think it was Mesa or am I just smoking something here?

And I was all ready to share a short funny little Mesa story, too!

You must be confusing GoJet with Mesa's Hawaiian operation Go!
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