Erj Hard Landing?
No really they are.
01-29-2006, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Whole story as I understand it...
Background: LY (not Yeager BTW) was an arrogant (but hot) little **** who did Mesa's Zero-Hero program at San Juan. She apparently slept her way through several training events. Famous LY Quote: "I'll be at united while you're still in the 1900 because I'm a woman"
Upon her upgrade from 1900 FO to ERJ CA, a super-senior 1900 CA who had flown with her stated that she would put one in the ground within 6 months
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The NTSB report is good reading, but the summary is that gross miss-flying, gross miss-judgement, and gross lack of CRM made for a SERIOUS hard landing and damaged airplane. The crew (CA, FO, FA) went to the hotel, after which LY, apparently concerned about the landing, returned to the field to inspect the jet. She then returned to the hotel in an extremely agitated state of mind. The FA was supposed to DH out on the same A/C in the AM, but he refused to fly on that jet. Hmmmm.
Another crew took the plane to CLT in the AM (still dark), and I think a third crew found the damage by daylight. First two crews got fired, and sim instructor (who I think was a regional chief pilot) got fired because he had banged LY during her training. I'm told LY is pursuing a new and different career. I think mesa learned a lesson, because a girl I knew was given the bums rush out the door after sim session 4, so they don't seem interested in getting chicks/minorities through training at any cost any more.
Background: LY (not Yeager BTW) was an arrogant (but hot) little **** who did Mesa's Zero-Hero program at San Juan. She apparently slept her way through several training events. Famous LY Quote: "I'll be at united while you're still in the 1900 because I'm a woman"
Upon her upgrade from 1900 FO to ERJ CA, a super-senior 1900 CA who had flown with her stated that she would put one in the ground within 6 months
.The NTSB report is good reading, but the summary is that gross miss-flying, gross miss-judgement, and gross lack of CRM made for a SERIOUS hard landing and damaged airplane. The crew (CA, FO, FA) went to the hotel, after which LY, apparently concerned about the landing, returned to the field to inspect the jet. She then returned to the hotel in an extremely agitated state of mind. The FA was supposed to DH out on the same A/C in the AM, but he refused to fly on that jet. Hmmmm.
Another crew took the plane to CLT in the AM (still dark), and I think a third crew found the damage by daylight. First two crews got fired, and sim instructor (who I think was a regional chief pilot) got fired because he had banged LY during her training. I'm told LY is pursuing a new and different career. I think mesa learned a lesson, because a girl I knew was given the bums rush out the door after sim session 4, so they don't seem interested in getting chicks/minorities through training at any cost any more.
01-29-2006, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dogpilot
Me thinks you sound a bit like a bigot in your post, an HR dream!
If you were that person who got somerthing that you didn't earn and weren't really competetive for, remember that it was given to you at the EXPENSE OF SOMEONE ELSE WHO PUT IN THE REAL EFFORT AND WAS BETTER QUALIFIED. If that's you, then you have to live with it.
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01-30-2006, 05:19 AM
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01-30-2006, 05:48 AM
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Amen Brother
Originally Posted by rickair7777
No, I just call it like it is. I personally believe in giving every individual a fair shot and treating everyone as I would want to be treated. Regardless of who or what they are. But I don't care about any PC bull****, and don't care if I offend someone who was given an unfair advantage in hiring/training. And there has been a LOT of unfair hiring in recent years in aviation.
If you were that person who got somerthing that you didn't earn and weren't really competetive for, remember that it was given to you at the EXPENSE OF SOMEONE ELSE WHO PUT IN THE REAL EFFORT AND WAS BETTER QUALIFIED. If that's you, then you have to live with it.
If you were that person who got somerthing that you didn't earn and weren't really competetive for, remember that it was given to you at the EXPENSE OF SOMEONE ELSE WHO PUT IN THE REAL EFFORT AND WAS BETTER QUALIFIED. If that's you, then you have to live with it.
Right on, we all think it. Everyonce in a while someone gets fed up and points it out. The fact that they would let crews and pax fly w/out telling em- makes me sick.
01-30-2006, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Punkpilot48
it sure does. Thats because with the hydrolics you can't feel the buffet before the stall. so the "stick shaker" shakes the controlls. Also if you decide to ignore the shaker the stick pusher will pull it out of your hands.
The stick shaker/pusher will hopefully stop a pilot from stalling- first by shaking the yoke, then by pushing it forward. I think it is safe to say that EVERY airline proceedure is about the same if you get the shaker/pusher... maximum power, spoilers in, push the nose forward (I think it was DHL that had an accident several years ago where they did not do step number 3, and rode the thing in trying to power out of a stall). The "push" part, however, is disabled on some aircraft below a certain altitude to prevent the nose from being pushed over if you get too slow in the flair.
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