Originally Posted by JT8D

Wow, somebody's bitter. Spineless?? Oh please, you've never met me. Don't go around making baseless and unfounded characterizations about total strangers, that's nothing but a cheap shot. It sucks that you feel that way about the management of your airline. What have you done to help change it? There's no need to get all mad at the mere mention of making a career out of being a CP or management pilot. All I said is that it's a viable career. And yes I do know what I'm talking about, I've worked closely with management pilots in a previous job at a regional and I got to know them personally. I don't know about PCL, but the guys I worked with were way more concerned about the well-being of their employees and fellow pilots than lining their own pockets or brown nosing to the higher-ups.

Sure there are bad apples out there. The most effective way to change that would be to either get involved in the management side or get active within the union yourself. Spineless is someone who complains about things online and does nothing to change them. That's not aimed at you I'm just pointing it out.

And don't make me out to be a scab or lecture me about an attitude change. I never said anything about screwing someone else over. I could have gone to blowjets a long time ago but I'm not gonna wh0re myself out like that, and I'm sure as hell not going to stab fellow pilots in the back. You want to call someone spineless?? Talk to gojet pilots.

I'm not calling any pilots bottom feeders, I'm calling certain airlines bottom feeders. All it takes is one look at the hiring minimums for the various airlines to determine which ones are bottom feeders. Look at Mesa right now, it's a simple fact.

And by the way, I have more experience in this industry than my current status in a hiring pool would indicate. He who assumes...

I have some good friends at Pinnacle and I certainly wish you all the best of luck with your contract negotiations.

Originally Posted by ctd57

From someone who is in a hiring pool, obiviously you are not in the industry yet either my friend, so don't talk about what you don't know. Unless you are spineless, you would never make a comment about being part of management a regional airline. Management does nothing but keep the costs down, and the profits up so that they can put the rewards in their own pocket. There is not one regional out there that is the best. There are just certain aspects of one regional that may be more attractive than other regionals to you, except GoJets. No one should ever work there. I would never consider any of my aviation brothers as bottom feeders unless they worked there. You need to change your attitude, because in this business, we are all in it together. I work at Pinnacle, not the best in the industry, but we have been in contract negotiations for 3 years, and many pilots from other airlines have picketed with us to show that they are supporting us during this period. You never know when your going to need the aid of others to show your management that you mean business. XJT is by far not the best airline in the world, but it seems like you are drinking the kool-aid already. I never looked down on another pilot or referred to them as bottom feeders. Except for my above comments.

Originally Posted by Laxrox43

He who assumes makes an ass out of u and me...if you are going to ream someone like that, at least have the nerve to PM them, that way you can keep it between eachother and not make yourself look like an arss...cdt57

Originally Posted by cruiseclimb

I'm a check pilot here in the Northeast where every flight is pretty much icing and turbulance down to the mins (this time of year anyway).. I fly with 3,000-4,000 hour copilots.. Most flights I have to remove the seat cushion after engine shutdown.. I wouldn't go flying anyting but a VFR training flight with someone with that low of hours.. I would let you bounce in the pattern or shoot some approaches if it looks like your not hanging onto the tail. Nothing personal.. you're just so new you don't even know what to be afraid of yet. We'd land and you wouldn't even know what just happened. The 1,500 hour pilots that come to fly with us are pretty much useless for the first couple of months(6-7).