Total Time and PIC time required to upgrade at most regionals
04-11-2008, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Not for a US ATP. You need 250 hours of real PIC, period.
For an ICAO ATP, you need 1200 hours PIC but you can SUBSTITUE two hours of 121 SIC for one hour of PIC (you still need some amount of real PIC). This means a low-timer will need 2500+ 121 SIC to qualify for ICAO ATP privileges.
The ICAO ATP is not required for domestic US flying, but most jet regionals go to canada and/or mexico so most require ICAO times to upgrade. Most turboprop-only operators should not require this.
For an ICAO ATP, you need 1200 hours PIC but you can SUBSTITUE two hours of 121 SIC for one hour of PIC (you still need some amount of real PIC). This means a low-timer will need 2500+ 121 SIC to qualify for ICAO ATP privileges.
The ICAO ATP is not required for domestic US flying, but most jet regionals go to canada and/or mexico so most require ICAO times to upgrade. Most turboprop-only operators should not require this.
04-11-2008, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Not for a US ATP. You need 250 hours of real PIC, period.
For an ICAO ATP, you need 1200 hours PIC but you can SUBSTITUE two hours of 121 SIC for one hour of PIC (you still need some amount of real PIC). This means a low-timer will need 2500+ 121 SIC to qualify for ICAO ATP privileges.
The ICAO ATP is not required for domestic US flying, but most jet regionals go to canada and/or mexico so most require ICAO times to upgrade. Most turboprop-only operators should not require this.
For an ICAO ATP, you need 1200 hours PIC but you can SUBSTITUE two hours of 121 SIC for one hour of PIC (you still need some amount of real PIC). This means a low-timer will need 2500+ 121 SIC to qualify for ICAO ATP privileges.
The ICAO ATP is not required for domestic US flying, but most jet regionals go to canada and/or mexico so most require ICAO times to upgrade. Most turboprop-only operators should not require this.
Doesn't ANYbody read the regs anymore?
FAR 61.159.a.4
(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof
(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof
04-11-2008, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MuseumDriver
An FAA ATP is an ICAO ATP... To my knowledge there is only one "FAA ATP" and it is accepted around the world as an ICAO ATP.
FAR 61.159.d
(d) An applicant may be issued an airline transport pilot certificate with the endorsement, “Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO,” as prescribed by Article 39 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, if the applicant:
(1) Credits second-in-command or flight-engineer time under paragraph (c) of this section toward the 1,500 hours total flight time requirement of paragraph (a) of this section;
(2) Does not have at least 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot, including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command time and none of his or her flight-engineer time; and
(3) Otherwise meets the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section.
(e) When the applicant specified in paragraph (d) of this section presents satisfactory evidence of the accumulation of 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command flight time and none of his or her flight-engineer time, the applicant is entitled to an airline transport pilot certificate without the endorsement prescribed in that paragraph.
(d) An applicant may be issued an airline transport pilot certificate with the endorsement, “Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO,” as prescribed by Article 39 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, if the applicant:
(1) Credits second-in-command or flight-engineer time under paragraph (c) of this section toward the 1,500 hours total flight time requirement of paragraph (a) of this section;
(2) Does not have at least 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot, including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command time and none of his or her flight-engineer time; and
(3) Otherwise meets the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section.
(e) When the applicant specified in paragraph (d) of this section presents satisfactory evidence of the accumulation of 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command flight time and none of his or her flight-engineer time, the applicant is entitled to an airline transport pilot certificate without the endorsement prescribed in that paragraph.
04-11-2008, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by MuseumDriver
An FAA ATP is an ICAO ATP... To my knowledge there is only one "FAA ATP" issued in the United States and it is accepted around the world as an ICAO ATP.
04-11-2008, 09:33 AM
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Beyond the ATP mins, SkyWest requires 2500tt, 1000 multi, 1000 turbine, and 1000 in a crew environment. They will not waive or reduce this, and it's one of the reasons EMB upgrade goes junior as alot don't meet the minimums.
04-11-2008, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nicholasblonde
Thank god someone finally posted the reg. I hate it when people try to answer as if they know what they're talking about, when it takes less time to just go online and get the actual text of the regulation to post.
Since you are at Pinnacle, you might find this information useful:
"Note: Minimum of 250 hours, PIC time, required for Pinnacle Airlines to issue ATP certificate."
Pinnacle doesn't count SIC acting as PIC, towards the 250 hours PIC time.
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