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Old 04-11-2008, 08:32 AM   #1  
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Default Total Time and PIC time required to upgrade at most regionals

Any insight on this topic would be greatly appreciated. I have been told by a few people that low time pilots who are going to the regionals (i.e. 300-400 hrs) do not have enough PIC time to upgrade to CA when the time comes. Is their a PIC requirement to upgrade to CA, or is it just based off total time. Also, I have been told that you can log SIC time as 1/2 PIC. Is this true?

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Any insight on this topic would be greatly appreciated. I have been told by a few people that low time pilots who are going to the regionals (i.e. 300-400 hrs) do not have enough PIC time to upgrade to CA when the time comes. Is their a PIC requirement to upgrade to CA, or is it just based off total time. Also, I have been told that you can log SIC time as 1/2 PIC. Is this true?

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No, 1/2 PIC????? Somebody was trying to pull one over on you.

Depending on the company's need, it could range from the 1500-3000 TT with close to 1,000 in type.
I believe most companies look for time closer to the 3,000 hour TT range.

Beyond that it really depends on your seniority number, and how quick that number will make you eligible for upgrade.
These days, it will probably be more likely that you will meet the hour/experience requirements a long time before your seniority number qualifies you for upgrade.

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With all flying comes down to two things:

Do you meet FAA mins? In this case ATP mins

Do you meet Insurance mins? More important than the first question
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Most likely those 300-400 hr. guys/gals are not gonna meet the ATP mins, and you've got to be 23 y.o. as well
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No, 1/2 PIC????? Somebody was trying to pull one over on you.
For ATP PIC requirements, you may substitue 1/2 of your SIC time as PIC.
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Most airlines have upgrade/insurance requirements around 2000-3000 hrs total time with exceptions given for time in type/time with company.

For example if you have 1500TT and 1000 in company aircraft vs 3000 hrs and 250 in company aircraft.

Beyond that, you need to meet all of the additional requirments of the ATP certificate.
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Also, I have been told that you can log SIC time as 1/2 PIC. Is this true?

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For ATP PIC requirements, you may substitue 1/2 of your SIC time as PIC.
You cannot log SIC time as PIC time.
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no you cant log it, but you can substitute it for the ATP REQUIREMENTS.... So it makes you elligible if you dont meet he PIC requirements from the hard numbers in your logbook
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For ATP PIC requirements, you may substitue 1/2 of your SIC time as PIC.
I think you're getting that confused with the 1200hr ICAO requirement.

To issue an ATP you need 250hr PIC. However, some airlines have agreements with the FAA to do more OE for the people without 250 PIC.
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For ATP PIC requirements, you may substitue 1/2 of your SIC time as PIC.
Not for a US ATP. You need 250 hours of real PIC, period.

For an ICAO ATP, you need 1200 hours PIC but you can SUBSTITUE two hours of 121 SIC for one hour of PIC (you still need some amount of real PIC). This means a low-timer will need 2500+ 121 SIC to qualify for ICAO ATP privileges.

The ICAO ATP is not required for domestic US flying, but most jet regionals go to canada and/or mexico so most require ICAO times to upgrade. Most turboprop-only operators should not require this.
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