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02-20-2021, 07:03 PM
#101
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Originally Posted by kevin18
Not if you know the story. And the temperatures of the coffee have been reduced. There are a lot of nuances that you’re clearly unaware of.
Customers like hot coffee.
02-20-2021, 07:07 PM
#102
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,275
Originally Posted by jumppilot
The pictures of her burns are eye opening.
To everyone reading this, google it. It’ll change your mind. Also an HBO documentary on it.
To everyone reading this, google it. It’ll change your mind. Also an HBO documentary on it.
Should spaghetti mfgs be sued?
02-20-2021, 09:31 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Jan 2021
Posts: 80
screw the mcdonalds lady i saw the burns too and i d c its hot coffee so she can shove it. assuming its true i cant belive the guy that put his rv on cruise control and went in the back to make a sandwich ran off the road sued and won or the guy that stuck his hand in the engine got hurt by the turning belt sued and won cant remember the circumstances
03-30-2021, 09:14 AM
#105
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 107
Originally Posted by FLYGUYRY
This is absolutely correct. Everyone has their own situation and their own tolerances for what they can handle. I left a pretty stable 6 figure career to chase a long time dream of being an airline pilot at 35 years old. Now, two years later at 37 I have almost 1700 hours, 1000 of which is turbine, was a CFI/CFII, FO and Captain at a 135 carrier till they cut the pay so much it became unsustainable. Now I’m delivering packages for FedEx making more than I made as a Captain and desperately trying to get back to my old career field (something made more complicated by a now inactive security clearance).
For me, I knew the first year and a half to two years were going to be rough, and I planned for it. I did not however expect it to go beyond two years with no light at the end of the tunnel. I of course knew there would be downturns, but figured I’d at least be a couple years into a regional before one hit. I’m single without any kids and I suppose I could keep toughing it out and living in the red dipping into an ever dwindling savings each month but I kind of hit the wall where I said enough is enough. I loved aviation just as much as the next guy, I lived and breathed it, hell I still do but for me personally anyways, it’s just not worth it anymore. If i was 22, or hell even 27 I might be more willing to try and power through it, but now I’m inching up to 40 and it appears that I’ll be stuck making sub 50k a year pay for quite a while, after essentially living in poverty the last two - not sustainable, but I certainly admire those who tough it out. I’ll never stop flying but I do believe I’m probably done flying for a living.
For me, I knew the first year and a half to two years were going to be rough, and I planned for it. I did not however expect it to go beyond two years with no light at the end of the tunnel. I of course knew there would be downturns, but figured I’d at least be a couple years into a regional before one hit. I’m single without any kids and I suppose I could keep toughing it out and living in the red dipping into an ever dwindling savings each month but I kind of hit the wall where I said enough is enough. I loved aviation just as much as the next guy, I lived and breathed it, hell I still do but for me personally anyways, it’s just not worth it anymore. If i was 22, or hell even 27 I might be more willing to try and power through it, but now I’m inching up to 40 and it appears that I’ll be stuck making sub 50k a year pay for quite a while, after essentially living in poverty the last two - not sustainable, but I certainly admire those who tough it out. I’ll never stop flying but I do believe I’m probably done flying for a living.
I read some of these guys posts and I don't understand their POV. This is a job. It is suppose to provide you with an income, not be the center of your life...I enjoy flying, but not at the expense of everything else...If that is what it is going to take to make this work, I would rather find something that I can do that would afford me the luxury of just flying for fun (harder that it seems)...But I gtg, I have a new student at 3pm....LOL
03-30-2021, 10:24 AM
#106
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Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 376
Originally Posted by TaylorPilot
I am basically where you are. I am 38 years old, got back into it in 2017 with just a PPL. Got through my CFI over the next 18 months and got my CFI in December of 2019. My best month flying was March 2020 with about 70 hours and for the next year with my schedule wide open, never got more than 25 hours. I planned on 18 months of just grinding it out. We had a 5 year old at the time (7 now), and my wife managed a high end Italian restaurant 4-5 nights a week (making more in 2 shifts that I do in a month), so we were barely scraping by. We had a Coronial last year, so now we have a 2 month old as well, and life is very stressful. Now it is over a year later and I am just at 700 hours with at least another year to go if everything worked out perfect (highly doubtful). I do have a side hustle online business that helps some, but at this point I don't even want to go out to the airport. It just seems like I am wasting my time and could be doing other things that are a better use of my time right now. I instruct at the closest flight school to me and it is a 50 minute drive. Most days I have one flight, so it is 2 hours of driving, $10 in gas (and going up), and all in about 4.5 hours of my time to log 1-1.2 hours. That rounds out to a total profit of about $3.34 an hour. I am going to stick it out as long as I can (until it starts to affect my marriage). Hopefully things start to pick up fast. My wife hasn't asked me to quit, because she knows this is something I have always wanted to do, but I don't know how much longer I can do this without it being selfish. Although, it isn't like there are a million other jobs out there right now either...
I read some of these guys posts and I don't understand their POV. This is a job. It is suppose to provide you with an income, not be the center of your life...I enjoy flying, but not at the expense of everything else...If that is what it is going to take to make this work, I would rather find something that I can do that would afford me the luxury of just flying for fun (harder that it seems)...But I gtg, I have a new student at 3pm....LOL
I read some of these guys posts and I don't understand their POV. This is a job. It is suppose to provide you with an income, not be the center of your life...I enjoy flying, but not at the expense of everything else...If that is what it is going to take to make this work, I would rather find something that I can do that would afford me the luxury of just flying for fun (harder that it seems)...But I gtg, I have a new student at 3pm....LOL
03-31-2021, 04:02 AM
#107
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,275
Originally Posted by TaylorPilot
I am basically where you are. I am 38 years old, got back into it in 2017 with just a PPL. Got through my CFI over the next 18 months and got my CFI in December of 2019. My best month flying was March 2020 with about 70 hours and for the next year with my schedule wide open, never got more than 25 hours. I planned on 18 months of just grinding it out. We had a 5 year old at the time (7 now), and my wife managed a high end Italian restaurant 4-5 nights a week (making more in 2 shifts that I do in a month), so we were barely scraping by. We had a Coronial last year, so now we have a 2 month old as well, and life is very stressful. Now it is over a year later and I am just at 700 hours with at least another year to go if everything worked out perfect (highly doubtful). I do have a side hustle online business that helps some, but at this point I don't even want to go out to the airport. It just seems like I am wasting my time and could be doing other things that are a better use of my time right now. I instruct at the closest flight school to me and it is a 50 minute drive. Most days I have one flight, so it is 2 hours of driving, $10 in gas (and going up), and all in about 4.5 hours of my time to log 1-1.2 hours. That rounds out to a total profit of about $3.34 an hour. I am going to stick it out as long as I can (until it starts to affect my marriage). Hopefully things start to pick up fast. My wife hasn't asked me to quit, because she knows this is something I have always wanted to do, but I don't know how much longer I can do this without it being selfish. Although, it isn't like there are a million other jobs out there right now either...
I read some of these guys posts and I don't understand their POV. This is a job. It is suppose to provide you with an income, not be the center of your life...I enjoy flying, but not at the expense of everything else...If that is what it is going to take to make this work, I would rather find something that I can do that would afford me the luxury of just flying for fun (harder that it seems)...But I gtg, I have a new student at 3pm....LOL
I read some of these guys posts and I don't understand their POV. This is a job. It is suppose to provide you with an income, not be the center of your life...I enjoy flying, but not at the expense of everything else...If that is what it is going to take to make this work, I would rather find something that I can do that would afford me the luxury of just flying for fun (harder that it seems)...But I gtg, I have a new student at 3pm....LOL
Regional hiring typically recovers first, although this time there's some risk that the solid scope we now have at the majors could limit RJ flying for a while.
I've said this before, the industry clearly rewards those who stick it out in the bad times, it's boom or bust but once you're a little ways up the ladder at a decent major it's pretty comfy and relatively secure... even with reduced hours it's still relatively cush by most standards.
03-31-2021, 06:51 AM
#108
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 1,130
Originally Posted by rickair7777
You're in the dues paying phase. Historically that has not really been very conducive to income or lifestyle. I think some folks got fooled during the booms times. I lived through about the same thing in 2001-2002. I made a point of enjoying GA while I could, but my wife had a job and no kids at that point.It picked up pretty quickly after that.
Regional hiring typically recovers first, although this time there's some risk that the solid scope we now have at the majors could limit RJ flying for a while.
I've said this before, the industry clearly rewards those who stick it out in the bad times, it's boom or bust but once you're a little ways up the ladder at a decent major it's pretty comfy and relatively secure... even with reduced hours it's still relatively cush by most standards.
Regional hiring typically recovers first, although this time there's some risk that the solid scope we now have at the majors could limit RJ flying for a while.
I've said this before, the industry clearly rewards those who stick it out in the bad times, it's boom or bust but once you're a little ways up the ladder at a decent major it's pretty comfy and relatively secure... even with reduced hours it's still relatively cush by most standards.
And like you said about it being the center peoples lives is really a truth. During rough times this identity as “pilot” grows like a lifestyle type thing. Then years later of sitting on sheepskin all day people find other things to occupy their minds.
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