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They should register that domain to point to this thread...

^^^^^ somebody sees the glass half-empty

Average 1st year pay for an MD is also failry pathetic.... typically around 40k while doing their residency. It also means very long shifts.... but it also means the Hospital provides them with a place to sleep and stay.

Average 1st year lawyer pay is harder to guage since it can vary widely from one region of the contry to another. The average works out to between 36k and 45k first year.

From there, their pay goes up exponentially each and every year. If they move or switch to another employer they do NOT go back to first year pay and work rules.

That being said. A good plumber will make that kind of money easilly. There are a number of good professions, and many many trades that will start at much higher pay than pilot pay.

The point being that if you think pilot pay is good then you are not very familiar with current payscales in other trades and professions

I'm sure Doctors and Lawyers love their jobs just as much, yet they don't offer to go fly for free, or for chump change just because they love doing that type of work.

Welcome aboard. Just do not be another person who is willing to work for peanuts because they "love" to fly.

VLJ's? The Eclipse is in trouble, can't produce a quality product, are looking to move their factory out of the US to try and save worker expenses.... Cessna Mustang has been around a while now, DayJet has come and gone... the myth of a VLJ in every garage made great press and sold lots of magazines, but the reality is it just is not happening the way they "hoped."

What's wrong with picking up your CFI, and teaching others? You have an honest love of flying, why not share that with others? Some of those rich folks you talked about will be needing good qualified instructors. It will let you spend far more time with your family than going to work 135 or 121. Get a job as a plumber or mason and you'll make as much if not more than the typical 135/121 pilot. Better yet, become a lawyer or Doctor and you can buy your own plane and keep flying for fun....

For me working in IT it went like this:

Year 1: 24,000/yr
Year 2: 24,000/yr
Year 2.5: 28,000/yr
Year 3 (New Job): 38,500
Year 4: 43,500

Year 5 won't bring anymore raises... the execs still get their bonuses tho... (The economy is the excuse, our stock dropped to 4 something a share down from 30 earlier this year...)

And I was FORCED to leave that job at yr 2 because they were gonna lay me off anyway...

And in my current place, no room to move up, becuase everyone higher than me has been here for more than 8 yrs, and they aren't going anywhere... So my pay will top out just about where it is now, unless I quit and find another job yet again...


Basically if I stayed in IT for 10+ years, I'd only be up to somewhere around 50 to 55 grand (In todays money)... If I'm lucky...

Please tell us where all the other new hires, or people with less than 10 years in the profession are hanging out so we can know where not to go... wouldn't want to step in any of the spew being left on the floor by all you young guys so excited and still suffering from SJS.

Did you check to see what these people earn and what their lifestyle is before becomming one?

And I DO plan on CFI'ing... I definitely want to for at least a while to be fresh on the materials and skills... I got my whole life to fly a jet on autopilot, so I'd love to get the Cessna time as well as share the dream with other fellow curious humans...

And I have no interest in being a doctor or lawyer... I don't wanna be a glorified paper pusher / word manipulator... And I wouldn't want to be a doctor becuase well I'm just not interested in 10 years of school or that line of work... i don't like looking at the same walls all of the time either... Not to mention I'd like to actually see outside when the SUN is still out... instead of going to work when its dark, and leaving when its dark...

And don't worry, I won't work for peanuts... I'll make sure I take the right job for reasonable pay when the time comes... I won't go for the bottom feeders...

No matter how bad the industry gets and how low the compensation there will always be a next wave of pilots who are convinced otherwise and are primed to expect less. Each wave will bring with it lower wages and more difficult working conditions.

I have seen people on this forum who two years ago argued for an aviation career and now after walking the path are arguing against it.

I believe that the future of aviation is a revolving door of hopeful new hires who quickly descend into disgruntled individuals who leave the industry after only a few years. Unions will continue to dissipate due to the transitory nature of the pilot group who only have a few years invested into the profession and are quick to jump to other companies or quit if things get ruff. A few will stick around to become the upper tier of the seniority list of pro-company supporters who have laid their entire lives down for the job further insuring a future that is in the hands of management.

It is cheaper to train new pilots than to pay a livable wage to experienced ones. Automated planes are removing experience needs from the flight deck making it so that companies can hire 300 hour pilots into the right seat of a regional jet. The current wave is subsiding and the next is starting to build.

SKyHigh

Loving to fly when you go to the airport as a student, go up for a two hour flight, and then go home to your own house with your own wife is a world of difference from the airline lifestyle. One can almost say its one of the biggest bait and switches ever pulled on a person.

Flying in college was one of the most fun times I've ever had, but then regional FO flying became a drag. The difference? Even though I had many 10 hour days as a CFI, I got to go home and recharge at the end of the day. You really have no clue what the flying lifestyle holds until you've invested it all, only to "make it" and feel that you're wasting your life away every night in a hotel.

If you want to simulate this life to test it, go fly 8 legs (make sure you give about 45 min between them too) on MS Flight Sim, then when you finish, go lock yourself in a large closet. You can only call people from the closet, seeing them is cheating. Now repeat the process for the next 3 days. Only then can you come out of the closet and back "home" to all your spoiled food that spoiled earlier in the week. Then maybe you'll realize just how much time a long trip really eats up of your life.