People that go through them are not EVIL. Ignorant maybe, but not EVIL.

 

It was a joke.

And as a reminder, ignorance is EVERYWHERE, not just in fast track programs.

 

Fast Track programs may provide benefits to the participant and the airline:

1) Student gets airline seniority sooner.
2) Student gets a leg up on new-hire training.
3) Some non people-oriented students get through (non people-oriented CFI = unemployed CFI).
3) Airline gets $$$ from fast track tuition (some programs)
4) Airline gets a "Moldable" new hire.


These programs do not benefit the profession or the participant in the long run.

1) Participant will not be able to upgrade for years.
2) Some crappy pilots get through training simply because they have some much repetetion in the sim. They're still crappy.
3) Non-people oriented FO's will make crappy captains someday.
4) Encourages a standard of pay-for-training...employers should pay for all training beyond FAA certificates & ratings.
5) A "Moldable" new hire is not a good thing... No pilot EVER has had an advantage in training because of a LACK of experience. His lack of experience only ensures that he can be taken advantage of more easily.

 

"people have gotten hired out of CAPT with less than 200TT with Pinnacle and ASA"

A guy from jetcareers just got hired at Pinnacle with 950/250. A CAPT guy was in his interview group but got sent home cause he didn't pass the written. You'd think someone with all that ground training, all that money on the line, and a DC9 type rating, would be able to get through Pinnacles written....

 

Like I said...quality of cadets declined...quality of training declined...I didn't hear about someone getting sent home after the written. Do you know when this happened?

 

Thanks for the heads up Rick. I appreciate the advice. Actually at the ASU MPD, we get our CFI and CFII right after we finish with the commercial and insrtument courses. And if you are one of the better students then you get to instruct for MPD. Funny thing (not really) Ive heard from instructors that you can actually make more instructing at MPD than during your first year as a FO.

 

No doubt. I made $50K my last year of CFI...but I worked 6-7 days a week. At the airline you work 3-4 days a week...

 

What I know about CAPT is they couldnt compete with riddle main campus, RAA, DCA, ATP, and FSA all within 100 miles. They've moved so many times from omn to ded now to x47 that a lot of people could say this was a long time coming.

But being a senior CFI at a "Fast track school" my opinion is if you can get the money to go to one GO! Am I pleased that I've spent so much money for something I could have done a whole lot cheaper? no. But when I get a student who has come from a local FBO starting here on instrument or commercial you definitely see the knowledge level difference. Like asking someone who is 20 hours away from their commercial checkride how to read a METAR and they dont even know what one is; or they cant tell you what a single airport light is thats just scary.

If your curious I didn't choose the fast track option at my school I decided to stay and instruct. And no Im not being a company man this is my last week working here.

 

Your perspective is about teaching someone with a brain rather than someone that may not be as gifted. The argument is to keep the students out of the fast track because of the implications for the student, not the CFI. Anyone would prefer to train someone that has motivation and working neurons. So your suggestion for these folks to go to these high priced programs is based on the fact that you, the CFI, prefer to make your life easier, not because it benefits the students in the long run.

CAPT moved around but they were never at KOMN or KDED to my knowledge.

 

Im sorry man you missed my point. I did half of my Private at a local FBO. But things came to things and I ended up moving to a fast track. Now I had done all my solo requirements. BUT I had not recieved any instruction on emergency procedures or ground refence. I had never taking the pre solo written. In fact my cross country teaching was follow the shore and go north untill you get there. Now not knowing what I needed to know I thought that was just how it was done. But i shoulda some how just figured out what I needed to know right? I am not talking about how easy I want it. You get what you pay for.

I know for a fact capt was at least at ded but I could be mistaken about omn. Some of our planes are old capt plains. And the FBO where CAPT was is still there.