the thread started with a why question - now the posters here should have an appreciation for the ae pilot's position at least. their flying is being contracted out - tsa pilots are the vehicle - nothing personal it's just business. just don't expect to be treated to adult beverages any time soon.

 

Waa waaa... just dont take it on he TSA pilots. BS. Their MEC is condoning the action.They haven't done anything to stop it.

 

It just amazes me how TSA pilots say that it isn't the pilots' fault, it is AMR management, and not to take it out on the pilots. So by the same token, don't take it out on GoJet pilots, as TSA's problem is with TSA management! In both cases, the respective managements were/are looking to outsource the flying, violating the pilot groups' existing contract.

I personally don't think anyone gains anything by bickering. But if some of you TSA guys hate GoJet, then maybe you should understand why some Eagle guys hate TSA right now.

 

Just to set the record straight, I'm a Comair pilot, not TSA. However, I respectfully disagree with your statement. Comparing TSA to Eagle and TSA to GoJets is apples to oranges.

TSA has flown for AA since the TWA purchase and AMR decides where and when they fly, not TSA.

TSA management created a scab airline, GoJets to bust the unionized TSA pilots, among other reasons. Pilots going to GoJets knew what they were getting into when they were hired on (hopefully). They were going to a Mesa-esque airline that lowers the industry bar and makes it difficult for the rest of us to try to earn a halfway decent living.

 

In reality, Go Jet pilots are not scabs. They were not formed to bust the union at TSA. I don't think they took any routes that TSA was flying for AA. It was formed to circumvent the scope at AA. They had to be a different certificate ala CHQ buying Shuttle and putting the 170 on there.

No picket lines crossed, no struck work flown. I guess that's why a few Go Jet guys are getting hired at majors.

How would TSA pilots feel if it were announced Eagle was going to do most of the flying in STL and TSA was going to park airplanes and possibly furlough several hundred. I do realize TSA has said there will be some furloughs and downgrades, but not the same magnitude.

 

so tsa downsizes and go jets grows
one big happy family

 

Pollo Azul

 

This is EXACTLY why XJT will NOT negotiate on scope. Its a good thing to have. Pretty crappy feeling seeing your airplane flown by another company...esp TSA.

 

Why don't you go work for GoJets if your so confident in that explanation? GoJet was formed because TSA pilots refused to fly CRJ7's for 50 seat rates. You are completely misinformed if you think otherwise. And no, I wouldn't like is too much if eagle came into STL and started flying the routes, but I'd understand that the pilots had nothing to do with it and it was all management. Also, a dirty look is one thing, i don't give a damn about that, but beyond that I would expect you to act professionally. i'm not asking you guys to take us to dinner, i know the greeting wont be warm by any means, but dont be tools.

what does that mean? nobody wants to see eagle downsized and i would hope you wouldn't wish layoffs on anyone, karma's a b***h.

here we go now with the "my regional is better than yours" BS! get over yourselves.

 

And here we go with the flamebait BS! Get over yourself.
I think Eagle guys have every reaon to be a irritated. I do see a problem with American furloughing Eagle pilots and replacing them with the cheaper alternative. Sorry to inform you but pay and benefits are much higher at Eagle than TSA, and its the same old story with Eagle / AMR / and TSA. As long as people settle to work for peanuts and be treated like dirt NOTHING will change.

My point in bring up scope at XJT was that it is an example of what having a good CBA is about. It is NOT simply about pay. And why XJT did not sell it out to MAYBE be furloughed by a new management. Amazing how pilot groups sell their contract and souls all for a job for a few months more. (Mesa ?!?) So flame away if you want but thats the truth.