Once again, the problem is that AMR is violating our scope by allowing TSA to fly out of MIA. Therefore, the flying is legally ours. Its is just unfortunate that we have management that willingly and knowingly violates contract clauses and a union that is too weak to do anything about it.

"Fly it now, grieve it later" + "No Strike Clause" = Kinda like competing in a UFC fight while wearing handcuffs, leg cuffs and a ball and chain.

Is it the individual TSA pilots' fault? No. However, do we dislike TSA as a whole? That would be an understatement.

 

Pretty much my opinion too. I dont condone the actions of our fellow eagle pilots in MIA but I can't condem them either. The fact that your ALPA has chosen to activly participate in activities that directly violate a fellow ALPA's CBA is more than dissapointing, its conterproductive to our entire profession. Most of us realize that its not the individual pilot, its managment, etc, etc but we are the ones who are having our contract walked over by your company, so don't expect a warm and fuzzy reception when you get to Miami.

 

you guys are being ridiculous. but i would expect nothing less. not because your eagle pilots, but because most pilots (especially here on apc) are just that petty. i wont stand for any shenanigans from anyone, and if someone approaches me about anything i'll tell him exactly where to stick it. we didn't take your flying. we bid a schedule, and we fly the trips on it. if it were more stl flying, or no more flying at all, we would just go fly it, and really not give a damn. blame amr, because like any good business, tsa management (not to say i like tsa mngnt AT ALL) is not going to turn down profitable flying because its going to upset the pilots. and the union isn't going to throw their arms up and say "vote to strike" because we got MIA flying. you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise. so dont give us s... when you see us, because we are not your problem. your management is.

 

So if you worked for TSA as a pilot, what would you do then if this was occuring?

 

It's easier to give people you see day in day out at the airport and treat them like garbage then manning up and calling your management out and doing something about it

 

Its even easier to be the bottom feeder in the industry and do someone elses job for cheaper, rather than manning up and calling your management out and doing something about it.

 

oh here we go... we've heard this argument over and over again. give it a rest. there is always going to be a management group that does something for cheaper. i could reply we are trying to get a better contact, blah blah blah. instead of posting this and going through this all over again, go search another posts and see how the argument ends up. if your going to say that, you can argue every pilot group at a regional can do the same job cheaper than eagle. so are they all bottom feeders? anyway, like i said, this is soon to turn into a pointless argument. we were given the flying. i can tell you from my own personal point of view, if an eagle pilot addressed me in a disrespectful manner we'd have a real problem. i'm just trying to do my job, and i don't really care what airport its at.

 

You should care. Scope is huge. TSA pilots should know that best. If management knows they can get away with it and that the pilots won't care then this industry is going to go TU more than it already has. Put yourself in the shoes of the guys at Eagle.

You guys at TSA may be facing furloughs as well but not as a result of your aircraft being operated by a competitor. You probably wouldn't like it too much if Hulas leased out some EMBs to say Colgan for Airways flying. (Not intended as a bash on any Colgan guys, just purely an example.)

 

valid point. and i do care about scope. but it does not condone the disrespecting of us in MIA. there is NOTHING we can do about it. our management has a right to seek profitable flying. just as if you had your own business, you would be in your right to seek better business opportunities. it is your management that took the flying from you and gave it to tsa. what are we supposed to do about that? go on strike? no, id strike over better pay, work rules, qol, etc if it gets to that, but not over where i fly. but this issue is for your union to fight your management over, and if you win, then that is great. like i said, i dont care where i fly. WE have nothing to do with it. thats all im saying, behave professionally.

 

Maybe instead of spending so much time being upset at the TSA pilots, you ought to talk to your MEC and get the violation taken care of.
I know, it's easier to just **** and moan. Far be it for me to suggest actually doing something about a problem, but it seems like you'd get a lot further if you actually took some sort of initiative here instead of complaining behind a screen name on a web forum.