AA scope prevents a company that is providing feed to have anything larger than 50 seats. If they do, the APA gets compensated. There is an exception for the Eagle ATRs and CRJs. TSA had to have a different certificate to operate 70 seat a/c for United. But what do I know, I guess I could learn from a 145 FO who has probably been there 2 years.

Here is an excerpt:
"This letter modifies the agreement between the Allied Pilots Association (“APA”) and American Airlines, Inc. (“Company”) dated May 1, 2003 regarding Section 1 - Scope. Specifically, the parties agree to make an exception in which Trans States Airlines (“TSA”) may operate, in aggregate, no more than three (3) ATR 72 aircraft or other turbo prop aircraft certificated in the United States and Europe for a maximum passenger capacity of between 51 and 70 seats, in the American Connection Operation in STL without losing its status as a Commuter Air Carrier. "

 

Jesus, I don't know how many times this has to be explained to you people. Republic/CHQ operate aircraft for BOTH American Connection, and 70 seaters for United Express with pilots on the SAME SENIORITY LIST. The planes must be on a different certificate, yes, but that does not preclude them from being flown by pilots on one list. TSA did not do this specifically because they wanted to use Gojets to undermine the TSA pilot group. (Because TSA pilots refused to fly 70 seat aircraft for the same pay rates as the 50 seaters.) Again, the --aircraft-- have to be on a different certificate, scope has nothing to do with the pilots!!!

 

exactly...thank u for explaining again tbucket. some people dont get it. and another thing i guess has to be explained again, is that we're working and fighting for a better contract, and support would be nice instead of saying that we "work for peanuts". i dont even know why i'm responding to someone from XJET who has no idea though. i've got some friends over there im glad their not as unsupportive as you. i said it once and i'll say it again and then i'm done with this topic, i dont expect a warm greeting in MIA, but be disrespectful and unprofessional, and you'll get it right back. just do your job and keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything good to say.

 

right back at you

 

I am merely pointing out why Go Jets was formed. Who flies it is your argument. I realize TSA pilots didn't want to fly 70 seats for 50 seat pay, but you could look at it another way. Skywest flew larger aircraft before they had a pay increase for them. Do you think it would have been wise to fly them as one list, get them on property, then negotiate as a whole rather than face what you do now?

Just out of curiosity, if you are a 145 FO, were you even working at TSA when Go Jet started?

 

still waiting....... chirp ... chirp

 

i asked the same question twice now, like i said, i haven't been to MIA yet and i asked what was going on...
but hey, lets keep this mature, huh?

 

I know, I stepped a little out of bounds.

But seriously guys, we need some examples. You cant just come here all upset about how bad we are treating you, then not give any examples of it.

 

I went into Miami the first morning we started flying there and walked around the terminal for a bit. I even ran into a couple of Eagle pilots and have nothing bad to say about the way my crew was treated. They were very professional and even pointed the way to "La Carreta". I hope the incidents mentioned here are the exception, and judging from my experience I think they are. Of course we don't expect a welcome to Miami gift basket, but I'm sure we're all past the high-school drama.

 

thats what i would expect from them. i know some guys there and know that most of that pilot group is professional and fun to be around. as in every pilot group, there are a few exceptions. i wanted the original poster to post what he had heard or experienced, but so far no examples of anything worth mentioning. sorry for the fuss guys.