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Old 04-25-2017, 05:45 AM   #11241
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True but only the first person skipped gets the bypass pay, they can then jump any number of other people, ie all the 145 FO's, and are not required to give bypass pay. ...
That sounds fishy... best to check with the LEC/MEC for the real skinny
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That sounds fishy... best to check with the LEC/MEC for the real skinny
This is the right answer. Get the LEC/MEC to deal with the fishiness. I know there has been a lot of ambiguity with this bypass stuff.
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Old 04-25-2017, 07:42 AM   #11243
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I cannot believe in all the years of ALPA negotiating bargaining agreements that this "contract" has so many gaping holes. It looks like pure negligence to me. I am actually nervous to hit the line at this point, I've never seen anything like this place.
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Old 04-25-2017, 07:59 AM   #11244
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I cannot believe in all the years of ALPA negotiating bargaining agreements that this "contract" has so many gaping holes. It looks like pure negligence to me. I am actually nervous to hit the line at this point, I've never seen anything like this place.
Don't create your own drama and you'll be just fine. This job is too easy, no need to head to work thinking the company is out to get me.

I can't believe we actually complaining about a 4-6 months upgrade here. Lol.
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True but only the first person skipped gets the bypass pay, they can then jump any number of other people, ie all the 145 FO's, and are not required to give bypass pay. Couple this with just not awarding the last 8 positions and they have a way to effectively bypass without paying bypass. Which puts us lateral jumpers in an awkward spot of seeing spots we could have held go unfilled/junior to us, and receive no compensation in return.
Once again my understanding is that this 100% allowed in the CBA, but its quite a bummer.
Can you please state the section of the CBA where you see this??
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1. A pilot will be compensated at his new rate commencing with his first revenue flight in that equipment, except as provided in M.2., below.
2. When a pilot is bypassed for promotion due to the operational needs of the Company, the pilot will be compensated at the rate of the position his seniority would have entitled him to hold commencing with the date the bypassing pilot takes the check ride. The bypassed pilotís pay will be calculated from his total pay/credit in the equipment he continues to fly.
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This is the right answer. Get the LEC/MEC to deal with the fishiness. I know there has been a lot of ambiguity with this bypass stuff.
They're already involved and I'm sure they'll do everything they can. But as of right now I can't find anything in the language that specifically prevents the company from doing what they're doing. With a little luck the mec/lec will get them to adjust policy.

I'll I'm saying is what has occurred so far so others in similar spots to me are aware.
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They're already involved and I'm sure they'll do everything they can. But as of right now I can't find anything in the language that specifically prevents the company from doing what they're doing. With a little luck the mec/lec will get them to adjust policy.

I'll I'm saying is what has occurred so far so others in similar spots to me are aware.
Well it sounds like the company is doing whatever it wants to and the union needs to step in bc as I read the contract there certainly is language to prevent them from doing what they are doing..reference my above post
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Well it sounds like the company is doing whatever it wants to and the union needs to step in bc as I read the contract there certainly is language to prevent them from doing what they are doing..reference my above post
Well the portion you posted refers to when they actually bypass. The issue is that if the spot awarded will go to a 145 fo and they don't have a dash fo to bypass them they will just leave the spot vacant. Thus waiting for more dash fos to reach 1000 hours.

The cba does allow for reducing the number of open vacancies after a bid is posted and I'm assuming this is their rational for choosing to just not award those 8 spots.

Like I said the union guys are already talking with the company so hopefully something can be hashed out. Because for those of us that gave up years at other carriers this definitely sucks.
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My understanding is that if you're qualified for CA, bid it, and someone junior to you gets awarded it, you get bypass pay. That's how I read the contract and how it's gone in the past.

As to the holes in the contract, they are definitely there and a lot of union guys seem to think our contract is just fine. For the most part it's good, but there are definitely some big holes that are taking on water fast-- def need some mending. That being said, there are a lot of guys who come in with a bad attitude towards management and make a stink about small things. Know what your contact covers, and don't get shammed by the company. On the other side of that coin, don't come in swinging before you've been wronged
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