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Old 09-04-2014 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
That rational makes perfect sense. So if they give you a B737 for top step CA's pay of $100 a hour it would be a raise so it's okay. Do you even see the error in the logic your being sold?

Now that they've established what you are, they're just haggling over your price.
MD 80 Alligiant Cap. tops at 153.00
Alligiant FO tops at 92.00

Delta Cap tops at 200.00
Delta FO tops at 139.00

Top paying 175 operator or 900's

Nobody is over 3 dollars more at 12 years then PDT's TA and the most is 10.00 more over another 6 years for those that have 18 year scales.



FO side maybe 3-4 dollars more at 4 year cap.

So really???? Vote no to this TA?? Really for damn 3-5 dollars an hour? The risk reward isn't close to worth it.
It will pass and that's that. American wants to get it cost down to eventually own and operate most of it's regional flying. The battle will be fought later down the road but not now. If I were at a contract carrier for American I'd be worried.
It's not a great TA but its good enough to pass for a worn out group that has been through the ringer more then once.
Once you give concessions, they will not come back. The fight is now, not in 10 years. 3-5$ is around 3 to 5k extra in your bank account.

Who cares about Allegiant? Is a different business model.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by billyho
PDT is only scheduled to paint about 25 planes. The rest will be timing out really fast. So 13 planes won't get paint.
Which is my point.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 11:47 AM
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Yes I blamed ALPA national for lying to the ALG/PDT pilots. I Don't trust ALPA national and no regionals should. Didn't Moak say that PSA's deal was great only to flip flop after Envoy voted there's down? ****..... How do you trust that kind of crap to keep you unionized??

I'll be glad to Flow and be down with ALPA. 1300.00 a year for what? Watching all the RJ operators signing off on contracts that paid less then us. ALPA doesn't care about the regionals.

This will be my third vote at PDT. I've voted yes twice and no once! This vote of yes will make it twice.

Of course I don't trust what Herndon says! But it's the MECs that are listening to them. No MEC is ever forced to do anything national says, much less listen to them. This is each MEC's doing and each pilot group for voting in deals like PSA's. And like I said, before management changed their time about concessions and no longer needing them, the JNC (read national) told us this is as good as it gets. Yet, we still voted 83% NO!

National has absolutely no vote at the mec level and no vote when ratifying LOAs or TAs!

What about my leverage comment in response to you? This is the second time you've whiffed on it.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 11:51 AM
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Well there goes Eagles 47 CRJ 700's! ALPA carriers working together!!
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Old 09-04-2014 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Well there goes Eagles 47 CRJ 700's! ALPA carriers working together!!

Which is precisely why all three MECs should be working towards One List One Flow!
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Old 09-04-2014 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by billyho
Wait?? we have openers and in 10 years nobody will be around to even worry about it.
If you just rely on flow it may take much longer then you think. It took Eagle/Envoy ~ 15years and several lawsuits to enforce their promised flow.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 12:29 PM
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One list, One contract? Ask anyone that worked at Pinnacle, Mesaba and Colgan about how that worked out...You guys need to look at recent history, and also NOMINATE and Elect your representatives carefully. Especially, the negotiating team...
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Old 09-04-2014 | 01:41 PM
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This TA will pass. A friends reason at PDT for voting yes...."a brothers gotta eat"
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Old 09-04-2014 | 01:47 PM
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With the recent news at Envoy anyone considering a "no" vote at PDT is out of their mind.
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Old 09-04-2014 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
With the recent news at Envoy anyone considering a "no" vote at PDT is out of their mind.
I thought I read in another thread last week that you had left for your family biz? Are you still with the airlines?
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