"mesa is IN the KENNEL just like the rest of the DOGS"

I agree. I helped a Mesa guy get on at UPS. Have two other friends who moved from Mesa to DL and AWE. And the one that's still there has had a shot at interviews for bigger and better things in the past year.

 

Wow have you been on vacation for the last 6 months?, there will be THOUSANDS of guys on the street with unlimited 121 pic time. The stepping stone days are OVER. The pool of street guys/gals with exp far greater than doing steep turns in a 152 are daunting. So if you go to mesa you will be there for ever, and chances of a upgrade are entering the willy wonka zone. Thats reality so dont try to dress this pig up. That being said if you would rather do some 121 flying with 10 days off a month, by all means go for it, just expect to also be on the street very shortly.

 

Or you could be furloughed. For some folks, they could also be terminated in lieu of being furloughed if in the first year.

Let's see:

Mesa, GoJets, and a very few others = flying turbine aircraft building time

RAH, XJT, Comair, Colgan, and several others = furloughed collecting 50% or less of wages on unemployment for 26 or so weeks (yah yah, XJT ain't effective 'til October, still that's two additional months of seniority gained elsewhere), not building any turbine time, and not able to pay the rent.

 

I personally want to hear the bad side of it before I make a decision like that... what I DONT like is now some of these people (though not intentional) seem like they are trying to make us feel stupid for even thinking about it.... I have done my homework, I do realize that it might not be the best place in the world, but you know what? I have been many worse places. I got maybe 4 days off when I was in the middle east working 18-24 hour days... I know what rough is... I currently get 8 days off a month and im fine with that... I agree that days off does go into the equation for job satisfaction, but its not the end all.. yes the money isnt great, but you tell me where it is great at ANY regional first year.... none of them are...

Keep both sides coming, but quit with the ultra negativity... If something is bad just say you didnt like it... dont tell us we are stupid... You tell us to get informed then make us feel stupid for asking.... *END RANT*

 

Dude you missed the point!

I agree there are a plethora of highly qualified guys on the street furloughed right now, but I said nothing about upgrades or quick pic turbine time... the whole thread was about making your own decision. Further more you don't need turbine pic to go to a major buddy and I have plenty of examples I can give you to back that one up. So back to what I was saying its about making the best decision for you and not living someone's dream off of a thread that holds no weight. My mentor (a UPS MD-11 Capt) once said "If it's for you, then do it!" and that's all I'm passing on.

 

I agree that for the most part the regionals are stepping stones and everyone has a strategy on the best way to get to their dream job at the majors. However, QOL is very different between the regionals. If you compare how many senior captains at Horizon or SkyWest plan on making a career there and how many senior captains at Mesa want to stay, I think that would speak for itself. Of course, some are willing to sacrifice to get the PIC time and then move on but to say they are all the same is really not true. However, I think no one should judge someone else who wants to get to their dream job and is willing to suffer in the next 3-5 while they get their hours. It is personal preference. I know a pilot at Fed Ex that flew at Great Lakes and probably took the fastest route to the majors. Great Lakes has very low pay and terrible work rules. But for some reason, no one slams on Great Lakes like they do Mesa. They are both crap company to work for but Mesa is much larger and spoken about much more often. Why?

 

Amazing what happens when facts enter a conversation.

BTW, it was me that wanted to know the fastest route at Mesa for turbine PIC. So far, it seems the one possiblity is the Dash as the jets have seat locks.

 

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Actually, the Delta law suit is for a breach of contract.

Hawaiian sued because they felt that Mesa used confidential information provided to them when they were considering purchasing them, but instead started Go.

Aloha is sueing them for predatory pricing.

Mesa tried to sue an Aloha pilot for publicly stating slander against the company. (This forum should be plenty of bad publicity.)

It sounds like only the lawyers are turning a profit at Mesa.

So, if you want to work for Mesa, be a lawyer, not a pilot.

 

And why do think Mesa is safe from furloughing?