TSA continues it's Reign of Terror on flight crews.
#81
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TSA treats us like terrorists
Because how in gods name are they supposed to know if we're not? TSA does not know definitively whether you are a pilot or a terrorist masquerading as one and, as has been stated, it would be very easy to fake an airline ID and dress up as a pilot. Because of this TSA cannot just take you at your word and they must screen you. Do any of you think our appearance is so fool proof that with only an ID and a uniform we should be able just breeze through into a secure area without being checked at all?
I know its a hassle, most of them are just doing their jobs.
Because how in gods name are they supposed to know if we're not? TSA does not know definitively whether you are a pilot or a terrorist masquerading as one and, as has been stated, it would be very easy to fake an airline ID and dress up as a pilot. Because of this TSA cannot just take you at your word and they must screen you. Do any of you think our appearance is so fool proof that with only an ID and a uniform we should be able just breeze through into a secure area without being checked at all?
I know its a hassle, most of them are just doing their jobs.
1- Well, we have this nifty thing called crew pass now. We had the technology for it 7 yrs ago but the TSA didn't want us to have it 'cause it wans't their idea. Or we could have done bio-metrics.
2- They don't know the pax from Adam either but they accept a DL as a form of ID. Why not accept a SIDA badge. The old one I had for DFW was magnetic and (good luck on try to duplicate that thing) I could bypass security form the employee lot.
3- Once your inside the secure side of the terminal, you still just cant get access to the plane. Something about having keys codes and other info.
4- Guess you have never come up against a TSA moron who is on a power trip. They wanna give the whole search and then some. Right after 9/11, I was getting the full pat down infront of the pax. That served no reseaon other than to give the illusion of security.
5- I bring up the point again, do judges and lawyers get screened when they enter the court house. I think not. Most courthouses even have underground or seperate parking for those work in the courthouse. The same for US Embassy in foreign countries. Ever seen a US Diplomat or Embassy employee bypass security when going to work. I have.
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5- I bring up the point again, do judges and lawyers get screened when they enter the court house. I think not. Most courthouses even have underground or seperate parking for those work in the courthouse. The same for US Embassy in foreign countries. Ever seen a US Diplomat or Embassy employee bypass security when going to work. I have.
#83
1- Well, we have this nifty thing called crew pass now. We had the technology for it 7 yrs ago but the TSA didn't want us to have it 'cause it wans't their idea. Or we could have done bio-metrics.
2- They don't know the pax from Adam either but they accept a DL as a form of ID. Why not accept a SIDA badge. The old one I had for DFW was magnetic and (good luck on try to duplicate that thing) I could bypass security form the employee lot.
3- Once your inside the secure side of the terminal, you still just cant get access to the plane. Something about having keys codes and other info.
4- Guess you have never come up against a TSA moron who is on a power trip. They wanna give the whole search and then some. Right after 9/11, I was getting the full pat down infront of the pax. That served no reseaon other than to give the illusion of security.
5- I bring up the point again, do judges and lawyers get screened when they enter the court house. I think not. Most courthouses even have underground or seperate parking for those work in the courthouse. The same for US Embassy in foreign countries. Ever seen a US Diplomat or Embassy employee bypass security when going to work. I have.
2- They don't know the pax from Adam either but they accept a DL as a form of ID. Why not accept a SIDA badge. The old one I had for DFW was magnetic and (good luck on try to duplicate that thing) I could bypass security form the employee lot.
3- Once your inside the secure side of the terminal, you still just cant get access to the plane. Something about having keys codes and other info.
4- Guess you have never come up against a TSA moron who is on a power trip. They wanna give the whole search and then some. Right after 9/11, I was getting the full pat down infront of the pax. That served no reseaon other than to give the illusion of security.
5- I bring up the point again, do judges and lawyers get screened when they enter the court house. I think not. Most courthouses even have underground or seperate parking for those work in the courthouse. The same for US Embassy in foreign countries. Ever seen a US Diplomat or Embassy employee bypass security when going to work. I have.
3. If you DON'T get screened, you can bring in a weapon. With a weapon, you can then access anything you like.
4. There are idiots in any group (even OUR group).
5. Who cares about courthouses? You can't hijack a courthouse and use it to kill thousands of people, or attack national-security infrastructure.
I fully agree that anyone who is going to bypass security (LEO's, diplomats, flight crew, etc) should have biometric ID.
While I agree that TSA management has fallen short in many, many ways, their basic screening policies are in line with accepted security and anti-terrorism practices (as devloped by the military and many foriegn governments long before TSA existed).
Personally, I don't think TSA ever should have existed in the first place...they were created by one political party in order to establish a large block of unionized government workers, who traditionally vote for that party. Their job could be done better by private screeners who are SUPERVISED by a small cadre of on-site armed federal LEO's. The adult supervision would be key to maintaining performance, and would provide a fast-reaction team of non-barney-fifes..
#85
To everyone who is for screening, again the argument is simple:
What can a pilot do with a weapon that he couldn't do if the pilot didn't have the weapon?
If you are in the CASS system, honestly, what is the difference?
What can a pilot do with a weapon that he couldn't do if the pilot didn't have the weapon?
If you are in the CASS system, honestly, what is the difference?
#86
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the CASS system secure? Isn't the only way to be placed into it is after someone has passed all the background/FBI checks and is only when your currently employed by a carrier?
CrewPass now!
CrewPass now!
#88
I agree with your point but you my friend are in for an upset one day if you actually have a 100% trust in most people you don't even know.
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