1 - You are starting to sound a lot like a poster that used to go by the name of MissKittyKat.

2- Please learn to read for comprehension

3- There are some CSA that go through the day with out going through security. Such as those that work the ticket counter in DFW for AA. The average CSA does get scanned everytime they go to work. I can't say that about the TSA workers though.

4- There are plenty of ground workers that are on the secure side without passing though a pat-down style check or magnatometer. I have seen it personally. I wont list those airports but there are several.

5- You owe me a beer.

6- TSA screening pilots is a waste of time a resources.

 

TSA treats us like terrorists

Because how in gods name are they supposed to know if we're not? TSA does not know definitively whether you are a pilot or a terrorist masquerading as one and, as has been stated, it would be very easy to fake an airline ID and dress up as a pilot. Because of this TSA cannot just take you at your word and they must screen you. Do any of you think our appearance is so fool proof that with only an ID and a uniform we should be able just breeze through into a secure area without being checked at all?

I know its a hassle, most of them are just doing their jobs.

 

So what is more of a threat:

1) A terrorist dressing up as a pilot. Making an ID card to sneak past TSA who is unable to spot a fake Crew Badge or check it for accuracy.

or

2) Get a job as a ramper and bypass all security and have access to all areas of the ramps and planes as well as cargo areas?

If you answered #2, you are logical
If you answered #1, you..well I cant say it.

(If you think all rampers get checked you are out of your mind)

 

My good sir, I'm not, nor have I yet said that I think TSA's approach to ramp personnel is appropriate or adequate relative to the risk, however please don't think that it would be difficult to make a perfect replica of a crew badge.

You or I could make a passable fake this afternoon; if we were so inclined we could probably make an excellent fake within a few days. If however we aimed to cause mass destruction and had thousands of dollars invested in intelligence and equipment I imagine we could, should and most certainly would make a fake that would be indistinguishable from a real ID. Others may think we are digressing, but I believe we are at the heart of this security line issue. As has been stated before: they (TSA) don't know us from Adam and a uniform and plastic ID should do very little to set their minds at ease. As long as the identification process is weak, screening must continue

 

When people sit there and say that the way TSA treats us "is just a way of life now and we need to get used to it", it makes me scream. If you truely believe that we need to be strip searched to fly on a plane then let me ask you this. Why don't we do it to all passengers getting on the train, both the subway and the light rails. Heck why we are at it why don't we just throw out a few check points every few miles on the high way to check your papers. We can have armed troops walking the subway stations with dogs and M-16 checking us to make sure we are not a terrorist. Come on, we are supposed to be a free country that places individual rights above all, but every day that goes by more and more people are willing to give that up to "Feel" safe. Nothing that TSA does will truely make you safe, especially strip searching the pilots. Now I am not saying we should just allow anyone to walk right onto a plane but security (or the illusion of it) has gotten out of control.
The fact that passengers have to empty out their jells and liquids if it is over 3 ounces is dumb. The terrorist on 9/11 used multiple agents all who could have taken through 3 ounce containers stuffed into a 1 quart bag and once through security mixed it all together.
Well I feel a little better now. Rant on.

 

The TSA, is at best a band aide. It is a temp fix to a very large problem.

The screening processes are very random between airports and there doesnt seem to be a set standard way of doing things.

However, I believe, Anyone(Pilots, Rampers, CSA, Fuelers etc etc) should be screened atleast to a degree when they come through a SIDA area, either going to or from....

I kept reading the post about going from OPS to terminal. Well Sir you Left the SIDA are and entered a Sterile area. The rules are different, and thus you should have been screened.

Now, is the process messed up? YES. We can all agree on that. There needs to be a quick and efficient way to distinguish crew for pax and ramp from the rest. The badges we have now are barely sufficient.

Is there a quick fix? NO.

Are pilots Immune to screening. No The sad fact is, that I could go on the internet right now, and buy a full uniform and spend a few days and get a decent fake ID, and Now I am a pilot. This is a sad truth, and until there is a better way to identify each other, it remains a necessity.

I am a ramper. I can attest to the fact that I get screened randomly. I have been pulled aside, my bags picked through, and me get the wand. Usually it is just and ID check followed by a quick pocket empty. But it still happens two - three times a month.

Hopefully the government will find a better way to do things, and stop wasting soooo much money on the TSA, but I doubt it, I mean Cmon, isnt that what the Gvrnmt is for? Wasting money and Bad Decision that is.

 

Oh for crying out loud I give up. How about this, you can have a 6-pack. Clearly it'll help with the tension.

 

TSA gives these out to kids!

"Mommy when I grow up I want to look through people's underwear"

 

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We all have "clues." Offering our ideas to others is what helps us take our various thoughts from different vantage points and put them together to have a better idea of the big picture. I have clearly and concisely stated an opinion and it seems that it is different than yours.

Please share your insight with us, the point of these forums are for us all to hear new opinions. You probably have a more intelligent take on the situation that you are letting on so why not enlighten us