Yes, that is right based upon one comment that you do not agree with, I am not a pilot. The only thing I can glean from your post is that you're not intelligent.

You can disagree with me all you want and you can rant and flame about TSA all day long. I never said I think TSA is perfect at securing our airports, I am simply saying that just because you are inconvenienced sometimes while going to, or from, work doesn't mean they should stop doing something.

You are all pilots, how do you like it when people tell you how to do your job? I am not talking about someone who is in our chosen profession giving you solid critical advice, but how about when Joe Schmo makes a comment about one of your landings on a particularly gusty day? You may see a bunch of guys/girls with GEDs at the scanners but you should realize that there are people in TSA who are a hell of a lot smarter than you at protecting airports/airplanes/the public. I know it is a shock isn't it. Now Before you all open up with both barrels I am not giving TSA a ringing endorsement I am merely pointing out that you, and I as well, don't have the fullest of pictures on what it is they are facing day to day. We do not have to deal with the same set of problems they do and if you think that securing a piece of real estate as big as an airport is simple your sadly mistaken.

Someone asked "Common bro are you actually saying that you do not trust 100% of your peers?" Well bro I spent 11 years as a Marine there are a few people I trust 100%. You are not one of them. The guy who I have never flown with and who I know nothing about personally but who I have to go fly a 4 day trip with is not one of them. That is not to say I go in expecting everyone to do something crazy but I don't live in a world where I am naive enough to believe everyone is inherently good. Some people jeopardize there own security, and mine and passengers, without even thinking they are doing it.

As for the guy who isn't worried because it is a 1/1000 thing. I hope your not at work on that day when the odds catchup because we relaxed.

just my 2 cents...go ahead and flame away.

 

The TSA is a waste, and their constant hassling of pilots is an even bigger waste. Who cares if a pilot even brings a damn rocket launcher on board with him, what will he do with it? Surely nothing he cant do with his bare hands. The TSA has holes and gaps throughout the whole system. Someone in here mentioned the terrorists arent the idiots some make them out to be. This is true, and there are a thousand other ways of getting to an A/C if they wanted to. You don't need a pilots uniform to do it. The paranoia is beyond me. If they are looking to do something, they will find means of doing it. Nothing is impossible, and sure as hell, the TSA wont be the ones stopping them..


And for the guy who said something about being a Godly regional FO. It has nothing to do with being Godly, but much more to do with common sense.

 

I got into it with a TSA agent yesterday when jumpseating from ATW-DTW. He said I was picked by the airline for extra security screening and asked what I had done to get this. I was incredulous and said, "You work for TSA, not me. Why don't you tell me?" Wrong thing to say!!! I got through alright, but you can't argue with these knuckledraggers from the US version of the old German Gestapo.

He said, "We don't know you from Adam?" I wisely kept my mouth shut. But felt like pushing the point by asking him about the federal agencies which issued my crew ID and my certificates, but wisely kept my mouth shut.

The TSA is a joke and these 60-year former bowling alley employees love to show their power.........

 

They are mostly Barny Fifes..... if not worse.

 

While some CSA agents probabaly go through security more time in a day than I do in a week. (I say some because at larger station the agents usually only work the ticket counter or the gate, not both.) You are way off base. Its the ramp workers that usaully have the best access but have the least oversight. Don't tell me I am wrong because I am not. I have sat in the cockpit at JFK and personally seen ramp workers/cleaners/fuelers etc pass though the turnstyle at the base of the terminal with ZERO screening. Meanwhile, I was almost give a full body search just to make it to the jetbridge. Don't even get me started on the catering guys. How often do you see a catering guy that is a natural born US citizen? Not very often I suspect. Most of these guys were citizens of a foreign country just a matter of weeks ago and somehow they manage to get a SIDA badge. Its not an isolated problem either.
The TSA is wasting money and resources by screening crews (in uniform) that are properly badged. When you go to a court house do the attorneys and judges get the same level of screening of everyone else entering the building? I think not.

 

Sorry again my friend but wrong again. You know, you can sit in the cockpit and personally see what you see but you are not seeing the big picture. Me, being a CSA(Lead at that) who works in an out station but also did TDY(temporary duty) at a hub knows first hand that your observation is false. Answer something for me, while in the flight deck, do you really have a front row seat to the SIDA door all day everyday? Not only do we(CSA) get screened walking into the SIDA area, but we sometimes get screened walking out. Also, try getting screened while ON the ramp working flights. Not to mention the other TSA folks that decided to conduct other test(that I probably should not be specific with because it may be too close to being sensitive) on ramp agents. While I understand that TSA may be a pain in the @$$, please do not be fool or try to fool others into thinking that the CSA does not get screened because that my friend is FALSE.

 

You got hassled by the Toon Town TSA?

That's the same place this mid-50s lady working the scanner let me through with a sixer of Honey Weiss in the rollaboard while asking me "What kind of Leinie's is that? Berry Weiss is my husband's favorite!"


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What is the single-most terrorist-compromised profession in the world?

LAW ENFORCEMENT.

 

BINGO....Lou is the voice of logic and reason........and what about all those bypass doors the rampers use to get on the ramp and don't even go through security.

 

So your gonna try to tell me what I did or did not see. Wow.
Have you been to JFK and seen the turn-styles at ramp level? Well, I have as I used to walk by them on the way into the terminal, so i think I have a bit of an idea what does and does not happen there. Apparently more so than you.

I never said I had a front row seat at the SIDA access point,nor do I want one. The things that happen at you station are indicative to YOUR station and your station only. I do know for a fact there are some airports where the CSA can bypass screening altogether if they have a SIDA badge. Which is the way it was for ALL SIDA badge holders before the invent of the TSA.

Is this what it is boiling down too, a CSA agent saying I have it rougher than you because I get screened X times a day? If so you are missing the point of the argument. They are screening the wrong people is the argument. As in screening the flight crews. A waste of money and rescources.

 

I'm surprised that no one has used the example of FedEx 705 yet on this thread. For those of you not familiar, you can read about it here:

FedEx Flight 705 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sure this was before the days of the TSA, and it was also at a place where the TSA does not screen (FedEx), but it could happen today because that guy would have been in CASS, giving him access to the cockpit anytime he wanted the jumpseat.

On a side note, one option to sidestep the harassment of the TSA would be to become an FFDO.