Where is the announcement published that we are only retiring 19 aircraft? This is news to me. I have heard the rumors but haven't seen it in writing.

 

I think the upgrade is going to be well over 10yrs after the dust settles. I have flown with people that say they might lose their seats or are losing there seats that have 8-9yrs seniority and just upgraded.

 

It came in the form of an Hi6 from Winkley

 

I didn't say that aquiring planes equals furloughs. I said that aquiring THESE planes gets gets rid of the hired help and ALLOWS eagle to furlough.

 

How? Explain.

 

Someone please correct me if this statement is false

"AMR cannot furlough Eagle pilots with hired help"

Follow me here...if the above statement is true, logic states that this statement would also be true:

"AMR can furlough Eagle pilots without hired help"

So, if TSA is no longer flying Eagle's planes...there is no longer hired help. Therefore, AMR is free to furlough.

 

It has very very little to do with furlough. There is nothing contractual that would prevent them from doing it now, even with TSA flying AMR owned airplanes. The arbitrator ruled there was no violation by them simply operating the airplanes.
It has much more to do with the previous 2002 grievance. In the body of the arbitrators ruling he stated what would be a violation. When they transfered the MIA route recently to TSA it completed the exact scenario the previous arbitration had defined....
Based on that ruling, and the fact that there is precedent for suing for damages (AMR sued one of it's pilot's unions a few years ago) and being awarded damages plus penalties.... AMR decided it was best to pay Eagle pilots to fly the AMR airplanes, rather than pay TSA to fly them, AND then later be forced through court to have to pay Eagle pilots for it too.
If they had not transfered the route, this wouldn't be an issue.... but they did... and they got called on it. When their lawyers saw the MIA grienvance and reviewed the prior decisions, they realized they screwed the pooch... and would end up paying twice for the same work.
They really had NO choice but to recall the planes, because as soon as TSA started doing Eagle routes it completed the last element required for a violation under a previously argued issue.... Judges don't like it too much when there is a runling on something, and then a few years later you do exactly what they told you, you couldn't do without creating a violation.... that tyically results in large awards, with hefty penalties and punative damages.

As others have said, the attrition rate is still fairly constant, and people are still taking the LTLOA's... there will be no need to furlough. Eagle is already attending new job fairs in anticipation of resumed hiring.

 

See, now that's all anyone needed to say. Thank you for the correction. We shall see what happens when the planes and routes are back at Eagle.

 

Yes, look for Eagle to furlough at the beginning of the 2009 summer travel season; after all of the most junior displaced pilots have completed long term training events on different aircraft. Makes sense to me.

 

Guys, what 250orpoint65 was saying is that we have heard a lot of rumors about AMR furloughing Eagle guys once their aircraft are back on property. Now its been made obvious that these are nothing but unfounded rumors. Thanks for all the responses. Consider my question answered.