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Old 10-27-2008 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mking84
1. I did not call him stupid.
2. At any point over his tenure there he could have benefited from unprecedented hiring at other regionals and have already upgraded elsewhere.
3. Mistakes imply an accident. Going to work there is not a mistake, it is a choice.
4. I suggest he sit tight and be happy he has a job......I dont.
5. "Somewhere else" would be a carrier over the last few years with substantial movement and growth. SkyWest comes to mind.
6. The union vote did not succeed, no reason in dwelling on that.
7. No I dont feel he has much to stand on complaining. We all choose our own.
8. Complaining and action are two different things. Lets not replace one with the other.
1. OK, you didn't call him stupid, but I thought you were implying it when you said he chose to come here. So I guess you don't think he's stupid.
2. He could have benefited from going to another regional.. maybe, maybe not. Maybe he didn't get hired anywhere else. Maybe he lives in Allentown and didn't want to commute. Maybe he could've gotten hired at Comair and would be getting furloughed soon. No one knows his personal situation.
3. Mistakes imply an accident and going to work there is a choice, not a mistake? So are you saying mistakes can't happen by making wrong choices? I guess you are a perfect human being, and the only one on earth at that.
4. If you are suggesting he sit tight, why did you say "if you want things to change, work somewhere else"?
5. Yes, we would all like to go somewhere else better in the past and now and in the future. See #2. What you're suggesting is that he should've gone somewhere better, and I'm saying that that's already in the past and he's already at Colgan, so what is the point of telling someone "you should've done this."?
6. No reason dwelling on the failed union vote? I'm not, I was talking about the election coming up THIS year. THANKS to the guys who've been working hard to change things for the better.

Complaining and action ARE two different things. That's why I said if all that a pilot is doing is complaining, he has no right, but he might also be doing something to change the situation that YOU don't know about, like helping with the campaign. (I don't know if he is or not either, but I do know many of us are.)
Well for me this forum is an outlet for venting so we're all allowed to complain here. And just because he's complaining, you can't assume that he's not backing it up with action.
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Old 10-27-2008 | 05:27 PM
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"This company sucks... your company sucks ... all regional airlines suck" Where does anyone get the idea that they have any right to tell anyone else they made the wrong decision in going to the company that they are working for?!?! Everyone has different reasons for going to the airlines they choose? Is ANY airline perfect?! NO! There is not a single airline out there that is without flaws, no matter which way you care to look at it.

Whether one chooses to go to an airline for a quick upgrade, QOL, more money, better aircraft, to be home every night ... the reasons are endless, and who are we, or anyone else for that matter, to judge anyone's decision? Yeah, we are going to complain about the company we are with because it's not perfect, and at some point or another, something is going to end up sucking. Life isn't fair! We all do what we need to do in order to get through the day.
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Old 10-27-2008 | 07:19 PM
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Cue the "Juice" in 5,4,3,2,1....................
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Old 10-27-2008 | 07:31 PM
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lean back for a second and think about where this thread has gone... mgmt loves this! A rant/issue is posted publicly and it ends up with pilots bickering with EACH OTHER. Everyone preaches unity and unions, or just claims to all be in this same industry together but we are all just knocking each other down. No, I don't have a solution to recommend- but look at the BIG picture industry wise. A single mgmt group reinventing the wheel can quickly become the "Status quo" which helps nobody. Look at reduced rest, look at low pay rates, look at PBS. These are now "lessons" but unity (throughout the industry, not doing a union ad here) can keep things in our court. This is BS for those at 9L.



That being said- VOTE ALPA. (had to put it in somewhere!)
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Old 10-27-2008 | 07:46 PM
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Man am I glad I didnt go to class on Oct 7!!!
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Old 10-27-2008 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jaxpilot
Man am I glad I didnt go to class on Oct 7!!!
jax, was that really necessary? I hope you find a better gig that fits you elsewhere. Best of luck to ya bud!
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Old 10-28-2008 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by pens66
FYI, there is a street Capt. hired only 6 months ago for the Beech. He just finished IOE for his transition to Capt. for the SAAB. What about all of the qualified Saab FO's with a higher seniorty number. They tell us that everything is seniority based. (upgrade, line bids, vacation, etc) Yeah Right. I have been qualified for upgrade for 7 months. Why is he permitted to jump ahead? The Beech's ARE STILL FLYING! Same Crap, different day!
Hey man, I heard about that a few days before that upgrade class started. Sorry you had to be the victim of a retarded company. I know you and you are ready to upgrade. It's just one more thing this company does wrong. How about the on time performance list, another joke. The captain I flew with all month was on the CA list for ontime performance but my name was not on the FO list. However, the other CA and FO at our base were on the list. Now, I could care less about being on the list , it's just the point that theres no ryme or reason to it. And how does an FO and FA have anything to do with the ontime performance. It should just be for CA's only. I'll see you at ground in a few weeks, Go Bruins!
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Old 10-28-2008 | 07:46 AM
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captain152- already did... sorry it just sickens me that a company who painted such a rosy picture at the interview runs operations like this. It was my first regional interview though FWIW...
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Old 10-28-2008 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by shamrok
However, the other CA and FO at our base were on the list. Now, I could care less about being on the list , it's just the point that theres no ryme or reason to it. And how does an FO and FA have anything to do with the ontime performance. It should just be for CA's only. I'll see you at ground in a few weeks, Go Bruins!
Anyone who even cares about that list is a tool. That is the liars list. Who cares about an ontime performance list when we do not have ACARS.
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Old 10-28-2008 | 07:52 AM
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It is too bad you don't have a union contract that requires seniority promotion. When you're non-union, they can do pretty much what they want and what are you going to say?

Nothing, that's what.
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