bored your post was good. the only thing that bugged me about it was saying we were "bending planes". everyone knows about the 2 guys and the ferry flight. but sliding off a runway in a snowstorm isn't exactly bending planes. it happens to the best of the airlines. all you have to do is go to National Transportation Safety Board and you will see mesaba has had their fair share of "mishaps", just like every airline out there. the problem most people have with mesaba right now is the smug attitude. i posted this on another thread so i will post it here too. i think it is a joke to be in the memphis airport and see mesaba fo's with their eppaulets on upside down to show that they fly the 900. what is up with that. are they cooler than their fellow pilots who fly the saab? i just think all the new guys going over hink that they have chosen the best regional out there and are better than everyone else. they are giving your pilot group the bad name it is getting, and the backlash from other pilot groups.

 

Bending airplanes is just fact, sorry. If the truth hurts, that's something you have to deal with. This is not going to be a referendum on who is safe. Remember the MKE accident? HIB? TVC was just a bad situation and it's too bad that CA had to take the fall. We all know what TVC is like in the winter. Mesaba for the record, with the pilots at the control have never "bent" an airplane. We've had incidents, like every other airline like blown tires, engine failures, hydraulic issues, flap issues etc.. We've been lucky, but luck doesn't keep you safe all by itself.

As for the 900 FOs... that I know for a fact is not common practice and was probably a one off event that sparked this whole urban legend. Nobody said we're perfect at Mesaba, but come on, I'm not going to be sorry for my companies good fortune at this time. I've been around long enough in the dark days to appreciate what's going on today. It's unfortunate that a few idiots at every pilot group spoil it for the rest of us.

 

I think its a joke the be in the Memphis airport and get dirty looks from all the 9E pilots walking through the terminal. What is ya'lls problem? I'm glad I don't use NWA to commute anymore...

 

hmmm when did this turn into a Mesaba VS ASA fight... Well, we will all see what happends in the DCI wars next year. From the last press release 8 of us will stand at the end. I personally think both ASA and Mesaba will be around still.

 

actually it goes both ways......but don't worry theres just as many 9e pilots that give other 9e pilots the cold shoulder so don't get your feelings hurt....

 

Daniel - it turned into a Mesaba vs. ASA thread when the OP started lamenting about how ASA should be growing, with the new Delta and not Mesaba.

 

What I really don't understand is why The New Delta feels the need to reshuffle the deck in DCI flying. Why can't everyone keep their current territory and routes instead of mixing everyone around?

The obvious answer, of course, is that ASA still has a death grip on ATL (still the biggest hub) and The New Delta doesn't like that. So they are taking action to whittle ASA down, despite the fact that we have worked very hard for them over the last two years to impress.

This is why ASA pilots are developing a chip on our shoulders. We feel like the only reward we get is more uncertainty and loss of flying. We are being kicked in the nuts at every turn.

We know it's not the pilots of PCL and XJ at fault, but it's still hard to see pilots in the crew lounges, concourses, and web boards bragging about their growth at our expense when we've worked so hard with no reward. Again, hence the resentment.

 

John - join the club. Most of us have been in your shoes. You've been at ASA long enough to know not to take it personally, as hard as it is. Nobody said these XJ operated 900s will be flown in ATL. It's likely these will be based in our current bases. Until we know for sure, everyone can stop freaking out about how XJ is coming to ATL. Oh and by the way - nobody is bragging from XJ. Forgive us for finally being on the GOOD side of the industry and finally getting back to our pre 9/11 size.

 

Great, another thread telling the world how great XJ is and how they are going to be their new stepdaddys regional superpower! What a joke!!!

 

John,

Be careful with the emotions. I have yet to see one ounce of what could be considered "bragadocious". All we have seen is XJ employees stating current news to let others know only to be met with accusations of lying, creating false rumors, borderline theft and highly intense jealousy (the latter being understandable but still not appropriate).

Delta is not in the business of being benevolent and their decisions will only be in support of their needs, not labors'.