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Old 11-25-2008, 09:45 AM
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Everyone interviewed ends the day with the drug test before being taken to the airport. Unless you leave before the interview process is done you will do the test even if you aren't getting a job offer afterward.
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:40 PM
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From a Comair guy who got furloughed and went to Mesaba for an interview, after offering the job, background check and drug test ok, they rescinded the job offer.....??????......Then cancelled all other Comair guy's oncoming interviews.....btw, not the only one this happened to. Something is on the works.
Two things here

1- You do not have an offer worth anything until you get a phone call to tell you what class you are in and what equipment you will be on. The letter that most people get does not mean anything. I have plenty of friends, who are not from Comair, that got the letter of employment and then later were not given the job.
2- Interviews have been canceled before and just because Comair guys were in them does not mean anything. I know plenty of people who have had their interviews canceled and they still do not know why.
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Old 11-25-2008, 04:12 PM
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Evilboy - what's the timeline here? You obviously completed the interview, got the conditional job offer letter, did the sim then did the drug test. At that point, did you get a call offering you the position and THEN they took back the offer? Or did you get the thanks but no thanks letter in the mail? VERY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. Read the conditional letter one more time... the job is conditional pending the SIM, drug test, background checks and final review. Lots of opportunity to still not get the job.

Others - no conspiracy against Comair folks. There have been Comair folks all week. Just don't show up acting like WE OWE you the job at Mesaba. I suggest a humble, confident and positive attitude. Be honest, straightforward and genuine. That will get you far. Oh yea, tell them you know a few things about flying too.
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Old 11-26-2008, 03:11 AM
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I personally think Shuttle America will be shown the door in the next two years. That is based on the assumption that Delta keeps Compass intact and as a wholly owned. Yes, I know S5 is currently updating it's fleet, and their performance numbers are fine, but BB does not like playing the whipsaw game with his 170/175's. I always feel nervous about a carrier that operates so few aircraft (16 is small for a Delta carrier), and is not slated to receive any additional airframes. Now, if S5 were awarded more aircraft, or had their flying moved to a localized market (Caribbean from the mainland) then I would say otherwise. But for now, S5 is only operating a few airplanes on routes that Compass could easily cover once the tails are repainted and the Delta/NW route structure is blended together.
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Old 11-26-2008, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast View Post
I personally think Shuttle America will be shown the door in the next two years. That is based on the assumption that Delta keeps Compass intact and as a wholly owned. Yes, I know S5 is currently updating it's fleet, and their performance numbers are fine, but BB does not like playing the whipsaw game with his 170/175's. I always feel nervous about a carrier that operates so few aircraft (16 is small for a Delta carrier), and is not slated to receive any additional airframes. Now, if S5 were awarded more aircraft, or had their flying moved to a localized market (Caribbean from the mainland) then I would say otherwise. But for now, S5 is only operating a few airplanes on routes that Compass could easily cover once the tails are repainted and the Delta/NW route structure is blended together.
Not like playing the whipsaw game? Hmmmm, Midwest?

Who covers the routes that Compass does now? They can't do both their routes and S5 routes. Last I checked, planes can only be in one place at a time.
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Old 11-26-2008, 05:16 AM
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Get rid of shuttle = more 900s for some DCI carrier. We'll be over the 120 cap anyhow.

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unless of course DAL spins Compass out the door and BB scoops it and a long term deal up.........
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Old 11-26-2008, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast View Post
I personally think Shuttle America will be shown the door in the next two years. That is based on the assumption that Delta keeps Compass intact and as a wholly owned. Yes, I know S5 is currently updating it's fleet, and their performance numbers are fine, but BB does not like playing the whipsaw game with his 170/175's. I always feel nervous about a carrier that operates so few aircraft (16 is small for a Delta carrier), and is not slated to receive any additional airframes. Now, if S5 were awarded more aircraft, or had their flying moved to a localized market (Caribbean from the mainland) then I would say otherwise. But for now, S5 is only operating a few airplanes on routes that Compass could easily cover once the tails are repainted and the Delta/NW route structure is blended together.
Your assumtion may prove to come to fruition. In the past two or three of Delta's 10-Q reports, they have mentioned both CHQ and S5 and have contingencies as far terminating their contract. There is no other carriers mentioned.
Contingencies Related to Termination of Contract Carrier Agreements
We may terminate the Chautauqua and Shuttle America agreements without cause at any time after May 2010 and July 2015, respectively, by providing certain advance notice. If we terminate either the Chautauqua or Shuttle America agreements without cause, Chautauqua or Shuttle America, respectively, has the right to (1) assign to us leased aircraft that the airline operates for us, provided we are able to continue the leases on the same terms the airline had prior to the assignment and (2) require us to purchase or lease any of the aircraft that the airline owns and operates for us at the time of the termination. If we are required to purchase aircraft owned by Chautauqua or Shuttle America, the purchase price would be equal to the amount necessary to (1) reimburse Chautauqua or Shuttle America for the equity it provided to purchase the aircraft and (2) repay in full any debt outstanding at such time that is not being assumed in connection with such purchase. If we are required to lease aircraft owned by Chautauqua or Shuttle America, the lease would have (1) a rate equal to the debt payments of Chautauqua or Shuttle America for the debt financing of the aircraft calculated as if 90% of the aircraft was debt financed by Chautauqua or Shuttle America and (2) other specified terms and conditions.
We estimate that the total fair values, determined as of September 30, 2008, of the aircraft that Chautauqua or Shuttle America could assign to us or require that we purchase if we terminate without cause our contract carrier agreements with those airlines (the “Put Right”) are approximately $294 million and $359 million, respectively. The actual amount that we may be required to pay in these circumstances may be materially different from these estimates. If the Chautauqua or Shuttle America Put Right is exercised, we must also pay to the exercising carrier 10% interest (compounded monthly) on the equity the carrier provided when it purchased the put aircraft. These equity amounts for Chautauqua and Shuttle America total $27 million and $71 million, respectively.
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Old 11-26-2008, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by H46Bubba View Post
Your assumtion may prove to come to fruition. In the past two or three of Delta's 10-Q reports, they have mentioned both CHQ and S5 and have contingencies as far terminating their contract. There is no other carriers mentioned.

That has actually been there for a long time. It was in all the BK quarterly reports.
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:57 AM
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I hate to interrupt this little circle jerk but 2015 = 7 years from now. But since you're rooting for us to have our contract cancelled is it okay if I root for Comair to be liquidated? Just kidding, somebody has to hold down the fort in the RJ capital of the world CVG (ha ha anyone remember that? I'm showing my age!) Maybe we'll pull out of ATL and move down to MCO and start a PFT program. Hmm what did I put in my coffee this morning..

All in fun guys.. Happy Thanksgiving!!!
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