im curious how does your weight and balance program differ? I know its the same as executives was except they actually weigh each piece of luggage and have actual cargo weights.

 

Yes. Their average weight is heavy. Much heavier then XE's.

 

Each carrier has it's own W&B program. XE spent $$$ to do their own research resulting in lower average pax weights and lower average checked and gate checked weights. This allowed higher payloads.

 

It's not my fault you don't think an RJ can handle anything under a 6000ft runway. I don't care if you have 50,000hrs in the thing you're wrong. It's not what I think or how strongly I feel about it. You are wrong. Embrear's numbers say you're wrong, the performance numbers say you're wrong, and the fact ERJ's fly in and out of Key West on a scheduled basis means you're wrong. You can sit there and be a keyboard commando all you want touting how crazy of an idea it is and that it won't work meanwhile Delta has and still is doing service in and out of Key West as of this very day. If you think you're so much better than management why don't you write them a letter saying how ridiculous their ideas are and how it will never work? I don't know anyone that could sit there, see the actual aircraft they are arguing about sitting on the runway, and still try and make an argument that it isn't plausible. You seem to think you're trying to go 1500miles with 50 pax and 2000lbs of bags in the back. Understand the concept of island hopping.

By the way what does LEX have to do with anything? That runway was 3500ft. Are you making the argument now that it can't do 3500ft? Why? Why don't you just ask how I feel about trying to use my driveway while you're at it. Just as relevant. I'm putting this up there with your "It's not about the pay it's about he size of the aircraft". A few more and I'll be able to make a shirt.

PS the specs I listed earlier from Embraer included the part 91/121 fuel requirements of to the destination then your additional 45min. You can send them a letter letting them know they are full of it too.

 

Does that include climb gradient requirements? That's your kicker right there.

 

if they ran the operation how eagle runs it down there they would use flag fuel requirements. so you would only need fuel to fly to your destination an alternate if required and 10% of the total flight time. which on a 10 minute island to island hop doesnt mean a whole lot.

 

You can post all the numbers you want Duck. Do they take into accout higher temps, elevations, and weights? Posting those #'s is like Toyota telling you that a certain model will get 40 mpg, and then consumers average 34 mpg. Key West is ONE place. It's not island hopping. And Comair had a runway between 3500-4000 ft with 49 people on board and they couldn't clear the trees! That's no engine problems. Another 1500 ft wont do much If this service is so feasible, why hasn't it been done yet? 50 seat RJs are on the decline at DAL, so it's less likely they would be used. And another thing. I NEVER said an RJ COULDN'T use those airfields. I said it they couldn't do it without Weight Restrictions. It's not feasible.

 

Don't bother with this guy. We've all gone down that road before. You'll just give yourself a headache.

(Plus I can see de727ups drooling over the "lock" button as usual)

 

Tell ya what Duck. When I see ERJs doing island hopping WITHOUT weight restrictions, then I'll believe it. Until then, you can't prove otherwise. Just because Embraer claims it can, doesnt mean it will. There's a big difference between an airplane fresh off the line with BRAND NEW engines, and one that's been in service for years. Just like any other machine, their performance DECREASES with use.

 

You guys crack me up. The sensitive ego's are hilarious!