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Old 12-11-2008, 01:07 PM   #21  
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[quote=Mason32;516383]YOU have control over who you will work for... You enable them to whipsaw by working there. You can yell and stamp your feet all you want, then fact is that without YOU there would be no MESA; and the rest of the industry would be better of with them gone.
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If no one would fly for any regional carrier, then all jets would be flown by major airline pilots at major airline rates of pay. You too are part of the problem. Put your money where your mouth is and resign.

Your silly post overlooks the economic realities of the industry today.
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:37 PM   #22  
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YOU have control over who you will work for... do not even try to pass this along as it's managements fault. You enable them to whipsaw by working there. You can yell and stamp your feet all you want, then fact is that without YOU there would be no MESA; and the rest of the industry would be better of with them gone.

You have some nice ideals, put your money where your mouth is, and resign.
Ignorance must be bliss, right? These boards are full of closed-minded fools like yourself.
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Old 12-11-2008, 03:10 PM   #23  
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Why does everyone feel the need to type "Mesa" in all caps? To the best of my knowledge, its not an acronym. So I gotta know, why the caps? Same with "scab". Maybe banging on that shift key helps get out some frustration when people are talking about Mesa and scabs. Just thought I'd ask

And so this post isn't totally irrelevant, the TA looks like a stepping stone and I hope you guys view it as such. LOTS of room for improvement before you can consider yourself on the "good" side of the spectrum. As far as I'm concerned you're still the outlier bringing down the "industry average". Heres to hoping you can make it happen.
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Old 12-11-2008, 04:37 PM   #24  
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Winglet, amazing post. I honestly couldn't have said it better myself. I'm seriously impressed.

Any regional pilot that says a Mesa pilot should resign for the sake of the industry needs to look in the mirror. Guess who's really driving down wages and QOL for airline pilots? The entire regional airline industry. Before the regionals came around life was way better. Regional airlines fly mainline routes for a fraction of the cost and for a fraction of the pay and QOL of a mainline pilot. It's the pot calling the kettle black in my opinion. Wake up people. You should be happy that there are people like Winglet and myself fighting to make Mesa a better place, why would you want someone who is actively trying to change the company for the better to resign? So a newer, less industry educated pilot can come in and vote on the TA? Think about what you people are saying! And trust me when I say this, even if Mesa went *poof* and disappeared off the face of the planet tomorrow, another airline would be all to eager to come along and fill Mesa's shoes. Probably with a lower pay and QOL. This contract is not worse than our last as many have insinuated. It is better, just not as good as I would have liked. I can assure you if I still work for Mesa in 2010, I will fight even harder for the new contract.

Keep up the good work Winglet.
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Any regional pilot that says a Mesa pilot should resign for the sake of the industry needs to look in the mirror. Guess who's really driving down wages and QOL for airline pilots? The entire regional airline industry.
I work for a "leading regional airline" in terms of payscales. While I wasn't there first hand to witness this event, a captain involved in our negotiations told me our management told them they wanted to move our payscale down to mirror Mesa's. Their reasoning? If Mesa can pay their pilots sh*t wages and they still come to work for them, why should we be paying our pilots a penny more? I am glad to see you guys working to improve things, and realize you voted no, but if you think your p.o.s. contract doesn't have a negative effect on the industry you are foolish.
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So where exactly does the blame belong?
Is there nothing better to do then worry about who to blame?

Can anyone point out the horrible things about this? I hear a lot of "how bad it is" but I am not seeing anyone actually saying this is what's wrong with it. Its better then what they had. I don't get re-assigned where I work but if I did I'd be looking forward to it at 200%. In fact when I did work at Mesa/AirMidwest I liked flying around in the right seat of a 1900 for $42 an hour if I got something added to my day. Cliff notes version please.
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YOU have control over who you will work for... do not even try to pass this along as it's managements fault. You enable them to whipsaw by working there. You can yell and stamp your feet all you want, then fact is that without YOU there would be no MESA; and the rest of the industry would be better of with them gone.

You have some nice ideals, put your money where your mouth is, and resign.
Aren't you working under a contract that has a duration of 16 YEARS!?! I don't think you have room to talk.
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Your contract has been the yard stick with which the rest of the regional industry has been beaten around the balls with, for the last few years.
interesting logic professor... you have ZERO respect for mesa pilots as they allegedly kowtowed to management once again, but yet your own self-respect remains whole. clearly you held strong when your management started swinging the mesa yard stick. nice work braveheart, you’re a true inspiration to regional pilots the world round...
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I'm sure all these Mesa bashers have plenty of respect for Mesa pilots when it comes to commuting home on a Mesa flight
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I'm sure all these Mesa bashers have plenty of respect for Mesa pilots when it comes to commuting home on a Mesa flight

Oh very good point. MANY, MANY times I hear SkyWest pilots complaining, flicking me off when we are taxiing, cutting us off and intentionally blocking our radio calls. They are all very nice and courteous when they need the jumpseat though.

Winglet - thanks for some nice posts. I appreciate your attitude and I think it's great that there are guys like you out there on the line with me. I just hope we can do our part to help more pilots feel this way.
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