cybourg10

We will have more leverage assuming the 2 union groups work together. It is very important to have the same union, do your homework on unions (not airline unions) and you will see how powerful a mutual partnership can be. ALPA has some leverage now, we will see if they take advantage of it. And yes those 70 seat rates are pretty bad....

mking84

214 ac on a 205 ac cpa, and in increase in block hours coming soon im sure.............this really isnt news, i thikn we all saw a colgan increase didnt we?

PCLCREW

Great another victory for Colgan... The airline loses 2 million a quarter give or take, and they get more airplanes.

I would be alot more happy if they said Continental was getting 15 more 777's... The future is 60 bucks an hour at regionals.

Cruise

Your 'Colgan victory' statement is great for sound bites.....but it isn't entirely accurate. Of course mgmt is going to show losses in the books for the past year. You think it's cheap, or easy, to bring on an entirely new fleet of aircraft and everything associated w/ maintaining, training, etc... said a/c? Yes, if you're using a bottom-line type of metric, than yes, we've lost money. However, if you stop your short-sighted line of thinking, and look long term, we're going to be very profitable....and those losses will certainly become gains. Much more so than those clunker CR2's you guys are flying around. The Q is much more fuel efficient than an RJ and moves 50% more people at similar performance on shorter stage lengths.

I want our collective company to prosper. We've shown our willingness to work w/ you by our recent election of ALPA. Our pilot groups need to be looking long-term at what is best for all of us.

All that being said, I do agree with you on one aspect. This really isn't good news. It would be MUCH better to hear about our mainline partners growing by adding additional aircraft instead of more growth/jobs at the bottom of the pile.

Airsupport

SPS!! (shiny prop syndrome) if you use this term remember you heard it here first!

dojetdriver

Thats almost as good as HJS, H-eavy J-et S-yndrome.

captain152

Ok, here's my disclaimer ... I voted for ALPA ...

I'm pleading stupidity and ignorance here on these questions...

Although I can't say I would be opposed to a merger with 9E ... I would like to know what exactly is the deal with a percentage merger, and what exactly is meant by fences. From reading between the lines it all sounds fine and dandy, and I'm certainly not ignorant enough to believe that our companies aren't going to merge eventually now that we're going to be HQ'd in the same city.

I don't know where to find this information, so please, be gentle with the lashing and name calling Just trying to get some info and knowledge on what to expect

Rama04

The lists are very different and the groups will NOT like a percentage merger for the same reason NW pilots dont like it. The exception is that this will effect both groups.
Colgan and Pinnacle both have their group of 'lifers' who have been with the company for a long time . . . the 9E lifers will get screwed a little since the top of Colgans list is around 10 years and the top of 9Es list is more senior.
The companies both had hiring sprees at different times. This means that the block of "spree hires" will be integrated into a large area of pilots in the other pilot group. Thus, there will be seniority gaps where a couple of months seniority at one company will correlate to a year or 2 in the other company.
They need a date of hire method with fences. Fences arent needed as much if they use the percentage method (which was never used before NW/DL).
ALSO, dont forget that a pilot cannot get bumped out of his/her current award. Just because there will be more pilots senior to you on a 'new list' doesnt mean that they can bump you.
This, of course, is all light years away . . . so no worries - just my thoughts on a merging of lists.
SR

Airsupport

exactly. i would be pretty upset if they did percentages. and so would a lot of the pinnacle guys. it would work great for colgan, not so much for us. i have been at pinnacle for 3 years now and i am in the middle of the pack. a guy at colgan that has been there for 3 years has about 60-70 percent of the pilot group behind him. so if they did percentage he would jump ahead of me by around 200 pilots!

PCLCREW

Inst the Q400 a 74 seat airplane? I had no idea it had 100 seats cause 50% more pax would be 100. hmmm. ok
Well you guys do fly those things for some rock bottom prices, what the lowest 70+ seat pay in the country I think?
Now dont get me wrong I think the CRJ200 is a hog also, but those planes should be coming to 9E, not Colgan.
But then again maybe they will shorty.